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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6278146" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Whereas I disagree with Kamikaze wholeheartedly! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I always fall on the side that says the game should <em>never</em> be designed to just placate obnoxious players.</p><p></p><p>If certain players are memorizing the book and spouting off this knowledge to define how the game is... regardless of the table they are sitting at and the DM they are playing with... those players need to get a doofslap up the back of the head.</p><p></p><p>We've been trying to re-educate the "rules lawyer" for years now... reiterating constantly that every game is different, every table is different, and every DM is different... and just because one thing is written in the book, that doesn't mean it cannot or will not ever be changed at a particular table. And that they do not deserve nor <em>need</em> special flags and tags waved all over the place to remind them of this. THAT'S the default. The books include basic assumptions to give people reading them ideas and baselines if they do not choose to make their own... but that those basic assumptions are NOT sacrosanct. And every time they spout off trying to make them so is not a behavior anyone is going to encourage. They need to get over themselves.</p><p></p><p>So if jackalweres, lamias and Grazzt are all connected in the MM to create an interesting narrative for these three monsters... that's cool. It gives people who don't want to create their own ideas for jackalweres something to go with. But that absolutely does not give certain players license to dictate that that connection is the ONLY one there is. And WotC should <u>absolutely not</u> write their books to protect everyone from those players. Because that's basically akin to "feeding the trolls". And we're not going to put up with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6278146, member: 7006"] Whereas I disagree with Kamikaze wholeheartedly! :) I always fall on the side that says the game should [I]never[/I] be designed to just placate obnoxious players. If certain players are memorizing the book and spouting off this knowledge to define how the game is... regardless of the table they are sitting at and the DM they are playing with... those players need to get a doofslap up the back of the head. We've been trying to re-educate the "rules lawyer" for years now... reiterating constantly that every game is different, every table is different, and every DM is different... and just because one thing is written in the book, that doesn't mean it cannot or will not ever be changed at a particular table. And that they do not deserve nor [I]need[/I] special flags and tags waved all over the place to remind them of this. THAT'S the default. The books include basic assumptions to give people reading them ideas and baselines if they do not choose to make their own... but that those basic assumptions are NOT sacrosanct. And every time they spout off trying to make them so is not a behavior anyone is going to encourage. They need to get over themselves. So if jackalweres, lamias and Grazzt are all connected in the MM to create an interesting narrative for these three monsters... that's cool. It gives people who don't want to create their own ideas for jackalweres something to go with. But that absolutely does not give certain players license to dictate that that connection is the ONLY one there is. And WotC should [U]absolutely not[/U] write their books to protect everyone from those players. Because that's basically akin to "feeding the trolls". And we're not going to put up with it. [/QUOTE]
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