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<blockquote data-quote="Blackbrrd" data-source="post: 6157024" data-attributes="member: 63962">Maybe he was just a player and couldn't decide what the group saw as &quot;ok&quot;? I think his point is that they should avoid creating feats where the optimal usage includes precalculated tables. 4e has actually done quite a lot to reduce the math needed to play your character. In my opinion, it does a much better job at it than 3e. Now the only trouble I have at my table is players that have problems adding their dice together and remembering what their to-hit bonus is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Slightly off-topic: in our 4e game we have a Swordmage who has the Dual Strike power which lets him attack one foe, teleport and then attack another foe. It's really iconic, useful and there is no math added (no +1 to hit, +4 damage type of bonus). It's an ideal type of power from 4e that they should make into a feat in 5e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blackbrrd, post: 6157024, member: 63962"] Maybe he was just a player and couldn't decide what the group saw as "ok"? I think his point is that they should avoid creating feats where the optimal usage includes precalculated tables. 4e has actually done quite a lot to reduce the math needed to play your character. In my opinion, it does a much better job at it than 3e. Now the only trouble I have at my table is players that have problems adding their dice together and remembering what their to-hit bonus is. ;) Slightly off-topic: in our 4e game we have a Swordmage who has the Dual Strike power which lets him attack one foe, teleport and then attack another foe. It's really iconic, useful and there is no math added (no +1 to hit, +4 damage type of bonus). It's an ideal type of power from 4e that they should make into a feat in 5e. [/QUOTE]

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