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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6161574" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>Here is my take on the +6 to knowledge skills from Sage of Ages in the context of these two comments.</p><p></p><p>There is no doubt that this makes success on knowledge checks close to automatic for that PC. But in canonical 4e, all this guarantees is knowledge of the abilities of every monster you encounter. Which is good, but I think doesn't shut down the game - 4e is quite resilient in this respect, and arguably plays <em>better</em> when the players know what it is they're up against.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise, you are very good at rituals - but these aren't unlimited, as they are subject to a money requirement and (more amorphously) a time requirement. And in out-of-combat resolution, you can't take on a skill challenge on your own if the GM is framing it in accordance with the standard guidelines, and hence other PCs are also caught up in it. <em>Your</em> skill challenge contribution may be close to auto-success if you can leverage your knowledge skills, but your fellow players can still stuff things up.</p><p></p><p>If you drift 4e away from its canonical presentation - in particular, if you allow a single PC to dominate out-of-combat challenges in their niche (which I gather is the standard 3E approach) - then Sage of Ages may well break a game, I agree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6161574, member: 42582"] Here is my take on the +6 to knowledge skills from Sage of Ages in the context of these two comments. There is no doubt that this makes success on knowledge checks close to automatic for that PC. But in canonical 4e, all this guarantees is knowledge of the abilities of every monster you encounter. Which is good, but I think doesn't shut down the game - 4e is quite resilient in this respect, and arguably plays [I]better[/I] when the players know what it is they're up against. Otherwise, you are very good at rituals - but these aren't unlimited, as they are subject to a money requirement and (more amorphously) a time requirement. And in out-of-combat resolution, you can't take on a skill challenge on your own if the GM is framing it in accordance with the standard guidelines, and hence other PCs are also caught up in it. [I]Your[/I] skill challenge contribution may be close to auto-success if you can leverage your knowledge skills, but your fellow players can still stuff things up. If you drift 4e away from its canonical presentation - in particular, if you allow a single PC to dominate out-of-combat challenges in their niche (which I gather is the standard 3E approach) - then Sage of Ages may well break a game, I agree. [/QUOTE]
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