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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6253078" data-attributes="member: 7006">Well, then don't use a d20.&nbsp; You're the Dungeon Master, you can set the DC however you want.&nbsp; Roll 2d10 to get a DC if you'd prefer.The only reason this idea of rolling dice to set the trap DC is being suggested is because some DMs don't want to just assign DCs to traps, knowing full well what their player's passive perception is (and thereby determining upon creation whether or not the trap will be found automatically.)Of course... even beyond all of this... there is a very easy way to do traps in your game without needing to worry about passive perception or who rolls or whatnot.&nbsp; Quite simply... don't put traps in random locations throughout your dungeon.Here's the deal:&nbsp; The reason why players spend all their time checking every grid on the map with a 10 foot pole, searching for traps, secret doors, etc. etc... is because the game has been notorious for putting those things in completely random places with no rhyme nor reason, nor using any descriptive objects as masking agents that would tipped a player to ask to actually look at said thing (and thereby trigger an Active Perception roll).&nbsp; And enough people have blundered into a tripwire across some random hallway in a dungeon complex (which is really protecting nothing whatsoever and is only there to give a trap for the rogue to disarm)... to make them gunshy about just walking through dungeons.&nbsp; Or a &quot;secret&quot; door is for some reason built in the middle of some 75 foot corridor leading to another path, and yet somehow the seams of the door are able to be masked by... ??? (nothing)... so that it isn't blatantly obvious a door is there and is &quot;secret&quot;.So we need to retrain those players.&nbsp; Only put traps and secret doors in places that makes sense that someone would actually place one there, plus make sure you describe the areas in such a way that would indicate what could be used to make these things &quot;hidden&quot; or &quot;secret&quot;.&nbsp; That corridor with the secret door?&nbsp; Line it with tapestries so the players might be inspired to look behind them and find the door.&nbsp; That tripwire?&nbsp; Make sure it's blocking an area that is relatively obvious needs protecting... like the PCs can hear voices beyond because it's a campsite or something.You do all that... and you don't NEED to have PCs using &quot;passive perception&quot;, because they know enough not to otherwise ask to &quot;look for traps&quot; every 5 feet because they know they won't be there.&nbsp; They'll know you aren't trying to just screw with them for no reason.&nbsp; It's really all down to you as a DM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6253078, member: 7006"] Well, then don't use a d20. You're the Dungeon Master, you can set the DC however you want. Roll 2d10 to get a DC if you'd prefer. The only reason this idea of rolling dice to set the trap DC is being suggested is because some DMs don't want to just assign DCs to traps, knowing full well what their player's passive perception is (and thereby determining upon creation whether or not the trap will be found automatically.) Of course... even beyond all of this... there is a very easy way to do traps in your game without needing to worry about passive perception or who rolls or whatnot. Quite simply... [I]don't put traps in random locations throughout your dungeon.[/I] Here's the deal: The reason why players spend all their time checking every grid on the map with a 10 foot pole, searching for traps, secret doors, etc. etc... is because the game has been notorious for putting those things in completely random places with no rhyme nor reason, nor using any descriptive objects as masking agents that would tipped a player to ask to actually look at said thing (and thereby trigger an [B]Active[/B] Perception roll). And enough people have blundered into a tripwire across some random hallway in a dungeon complex (which is really protecting [I]nothing[/I] whatsoever and is only there to give a trap for the rogue to disarm)... to make them gunshy about just walking through dungeons. Or a "secret" door is for some reason built in the middle of some 75 foot corridor leading to another path, and yet somehow the seams of the door are able to be masked by... ??? (nothing)... so that it isn't blatantly obvious a door is there and is "secret". So we need to retrain those players. Only put traps and secret doors in places that [I]makes sense[/I] that someone would actually place one there, plus make sure you describe the areas in such a way that would indicate what [I]could be[/I] used to make these things "hidden" or "secret". That corridor with the secret door? Line it with tapestries so the players might be inspired to look behind them and find the door. That tripwire? Make sure it's blocking an area that is relatively obvious needs protecting... like the PCs can hear voices beyond because it's a campsite or something. You do all that... and you don't NEED to have PCs using "passive perception", because they know enough not to otherwise ask to "look for traps" every 5 feet because they know they won't be there. They'll know you aren't trying to just screw with them for no reason. It's really all down to you as a DM. [/QUOTE]

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