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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6253122" data-attributes="member: 2525">I am fine with passive perception, I just don't think it should be 10+bonus.Instead, it should be just bonus.So, wisdom bonus + proficiency bonus = passive perception.&nbsp; You should not get the benefit of an average roll - if you want a roll, you need to do active perception checks.&nbsp; Otherwise, you're only spotting things with the benefit of our innate perceptions and training/talent.Now if that is just too low a result I think I'd be OK adding an additional bonus for being in front of the marching order.&nbsp; So for every member of your group, you get a +1 for being in front.&nbsp; Four people in the party? +4 for being in front.&nbsp; Five people, +5 for being in front.&nbsp; This represents more eyes looking for things in the party.Here's an example.&nbsp; Let's say your Level 1 Rogue has a Wisdom of 13 (+1), is proficient in Perception (+1) and has selected Perception as part of their Expertise ability (+5).&nbsp; So their total normal bonus is +7.&nbsp; But, if the Rogue is in the front of a party of 5 members, then their total Passive Perception would instead be +12.And that's it.&nbsp; If the rogue wants to actively perceive things, they can call for a perception check, and roll the die, with an average result of 17.&nbsp; But, it could be as low a result as 8, or as high as 27.&nbsp; The randomness still comes in with an active check.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6253122, member: 2525"] I am fine with passive perception, I just don't think it should be 10+bonus. Instead, it should be just bonus. So, wisdom bonus + proficiency bonus = passive perception. You should not get the benefit of an average roll - if you want a roll, you need to do active perception checks. Otherwise, you're only spotting things with the benefit of our innate perceptions and training/talent. Now if that is just too low a result I think I'd be OK adding an additional bonus for being in front of the marching order. So for every member of your group, you get a +1 for being in front. Four people in the party? +4 for being in front. Five people, +5 for being in front. This represents more eyes looking for things in the party. Here's an example. Let's say your Level 1 Rogue has a Wisdom of 13 (+1), is proficient in Perception (+1) and has selected Perception as part of their Expertise ability (+5). So their total normal bonus is +7. But, if the Rogue is in the front of a party of 5 members, then their total Passive Perception would instead be +12. And that's it. If the rogue wants to actively perceive things, they can call for a perception check, and roll the die, with an average result of 17. But, it could be as low a result as 8, or as high as 27. The randomness still comes in with an active check. [/QUOTE]

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