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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6254926" data-attributes="member: 42582">OK. And the problem is . . . ?I was going to ask what the players were doing having their PCs hang out in an empty dungeon. This seems to answer it, though. If grinding random encounters is everyone's idea of a good time, what's wrong with that?But I also think you're looking for rules and guidelines in the wrong place. In AD&amp;D, for instance, the DMG has a discussion of what can be involved in clearing an area of monsters so that no more random encounters will occur. To some extent its common sense advice, but in a game where players are expected, at high level, to have their PCs clear out monsters and build a castle it makes sense to have some details.I think the designers probably just assumed that these ideas would be applied by GMs to other similar contexts: for instance, if the dungeon has been cleared of orcs, then fewer orcs will turn up as random encounters. Of course, if the dungeon has stairs to lower levels, or multiple entry points to outside, then maybe those wanderers are coming in from somehwere else.I still think this whole issue is not about a rule for no infinite wanderers but rather about guidelines for different styles of play around world-building, explanation etc and then different ways of using random encounters (and other encounter-design techniques) within those playstyles.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6254926, member: 42582"] OK. And the problem is . . . ? I was going to ask what the players were doing having their PCs hang out in an empty dungeon. This seems to answer it, though. If grinding random encounters is everyone's idea of a good time, what's wrong with that? But I also think you're looking for rules and guidelines in the wrong place. In AD&D, for instance, the DMG has a discussion of what can be involved in clearing an area of monsters so that no more random encounters will occur. To some extent its common sense advice, but in a game where players are expected, at high level, to have their PCs clear out monsters and build a castle it makes sense to have some details. I think the designers probably just assumed that these ideas would be applied by GMs to other similar contexts: for instance, if the dungeon has been cleared of orcs, then fewer orcs will turn up as random encounters. Of course, if the dungeon has stairs to lower levels, or multiple entry points to outside, then maybe those wanderers are coming in from somehwere else. I still think this whole issue is not about a rule for no infinite wanderers but rather about guidelines for different styles of play around world-building, explanation etc and then different ways of using random encounters (and other encounter-design techniques) within those playstyles. [/QUOTE]

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