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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6523381" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>FWIW, I think this has a few causes.</p><p></p><p>For one, the implication for me is clearly that low walls, corners, and trees were all things that, due to the rules about how you determine cover, <em>had representations on the "board."</em> It wasn't about fictional context as much as it was about having "interesting terrain" on the grid.</p><p></p><p>The second big one is that "Common sense" was not clearly presented as an option. The paragraph in the DMG that says you can determine cover based on common sense occurs <em>immediately after a paragraph talking about how the PHB rules should be all DMs need most of the time</em>, and in that context, seems to indicate that "common sense" is equal to "the rule in the PHB." And immediately after the option to use common sense, it goes into an EVEN MORE minis-centric rule that you could use instead of common sense. </p><p></p><p>That's hardly "the 5e system as the default." That's the system in the 4e PHB as equal to "common sense," and an additional "more accurate" system you could use as an option, too. </p><p></p><p>That might just be a lack of clarity (lawd knows the 4e DMG has issues with presumptions), but it's not hard to see why players got that sense from the actual rules written down. I can see viable alternate interpretations, but the one "many 4e players" got seems consistent with the rules as they were written in the books.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6523381, member: 2067"] FWIW, I think this has a few causes. For one, the implication for me is clearly that low walls, corners, and trees were all things that, due to the rules about how you determine cover, [I]had representations on the "board."[/I] It wasn't about fictional context as much as it was about having "interesting terrain" on the grid. The second big one is that "Common sense" was not clearly presented as an option. The paragraph in the DMG that says you can determine cover based on common sense occurs [I]immediately after a paragraph talking about how the PHB rules should be all DMs need most of the time[/I], and in that context, seems to indicate that "common sense" is equal to "the rule in the PHB." And immediately after the option to use common sense, it goes into an EVEN MORE minis-centric rule that you could use instead of common sense. That's hardly "the 5e system as the default." That's the system in the 4e PHB as equal to "common sense," and an additional "more accurate" system you could use as an option, too. That might just be a lack of clarity (lawd knows the 4e DMG has issues with presumptions), but it's not hard to see why players got that sense from the actual rules written down. I can see viable alternate interpretations, but the one "many 4e players" got seems consistent with the rules as they were written in the books. [/QUOTE]
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