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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6193052" data-attributes="member: 42582">Class groups don't really move me much one way or the other. But it's good to hear that rogues, bards and monks might be getting much-needed hp boosts, and the monk some further defence boosts.Also, it's amusing that the natural synonym for &quot;trickster&quot; - namely, &quot;rogue&quot; - can't be used as it was in AD&amp;D 2nd ed because it has become a class name.And I don't see any relationship to 4e roles at all. &quot;Mages . . . rely on spells to overcome obstacles&quot; - this doesn't tell me anything about what these characters can do, except that by default its likely to be more versatile than a non-spell-using trickster, who &quot;excel(s) at ability checks&quot; and is therefore likely to be constrained by the designers' conceptions of what is possible without magic.Also, unless some fairly strict limitations are put on spell lists and magical capabilities, I don't see how tricksters will be &quot;the most flexible characters&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6193052, member: 42582"] Class groups don't really move me much one way or the other. But it's good to hear that rogues, bards and monks might be getting much-needed hp boosts, and the monk some further defence boosts. Also, it's amusing that the natural synonym for "trickster" - namely, "rogue" - can't be used as it was in AD&D 2nd ed because it has become a class name. And I don't see any relationship to 4e roles at all. "Mages . . . rely on spells to overcome obstacles" - this doesn't tell me anything about what these characters can do, except that by default its likely to be more versatile than a non-spell-using trickster, who "excel(s) at ability checks" and is therefore likely to be constrained by the designers' conceptions of what is possible without magic. Also, unless some fairly strict limitations are put on spell lists and magical capabilities, I don't see how tricksters will be "the most flexible characters". [/QUOTE]

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