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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6194639" data-attributes="member: 2067">Your assertion of my assumption is false. I merely regard the difference between "can't use it" and "can't get a special benefit for using it" as largely irrelevant, because the part I'm interested in is the can't. As I explained above, there's still no virtue in making this distinction that is fundamentally unconnected to the actual play of a particular character.<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?1259-Iteration-Can-You-Perfect-It" target="_blank">I don't share your view of the purpose of classes</a> (I list five reasons to use a class system there, and I wouldn't rank "stops you from doing other things" among those virtues).  We can have fighters casting fireballs and rogues casting healing spells, just like we can have wizards using swords and clerics using thieves' tools. While I wouldn't expect these to be the default, I would expect the game to enable me to swap out whatever fighters get at level 5 for the ability to cast fireball if it made sense for me in my game. If that change is going to suddenly make the character not a warrior or also a mage, because now that character needs to be able to use a wand of fireballs....yeah, that's hugely unnecessary. But if my ranger is a 1e-style ranger with wizard spells, that's not something the system should be able to handle?Again, I can think of at least five reasons, and none of them are prohibitive, because forbidding things isn't really the point of a class, as far as I can see. Rogues don't generally know healing magic because rogues generally have no reason to learn healing magic, not because the game would be abandoning all semblance of a class system if they learned it. Maybe the thieves in my campaign are theives of life who steal years from others and give them to their allies, and they belong to a guild that opposes the dominant church of death and light where shimmering knights of undeath defend the realm from outsiders. The game should make it easy to do that. Inventing and imposing meaningless class groups is a completely unnecessary barrier to that kind of localization, because suddenly that staff of the necromancer would make a lot of sense in the hands of the warriors of my world despite being designed for "mages" and the Healer feat reserved for priests wouldn't be able to be enhanced by my "rogues who know some healing magic," because they're not technically priests.</blockquote>

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