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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6194671" data-attributes="member: 2067">Yes, there is: "I CAN'T get it to work BETTER for me, whose arbitrarily-determined class group is not, according to WotC, to be experienced with such things, even though my particular character/class/archetype actually should have it work BETTER for me."If you're saying someone gets a special benefit because of X, that's introducing the same problem as saying that someone is barred from that special benefit because they are not X. When X makes sense, no problem. When X is unrelated to the actual kind of character you're playing, problem. Class groups are not related to the actual kind of character you're playing. There are elements that would be (ability scores, particular proficiencies, etc.). All of this "tends to" is completely irrelevant to characters in the specific. Perhaps a rogue character is a trickster and socialite, someone who wants to be seen and not be stealthy. Perhaps a mage character is a dabbler, who picks up a few spells here and there but who appreciates knowledge and wisdom more in general than arcane magic particularly. Maybe the character most in touch with the divine in this party is a particularly devout warlock who sees the alien entities he worships as gods. Maybe my fighter is a straight sword-and-board specialist with no equipment frills.None of these are corner cases, and all of these would create a problem with any class group system that tried to lock down what a character should be permitted or enabled to do, or to get EXTRA benefit from, based on their class group, which can't help but be arbitrary, because it has no relation to how the character is actually conceived of and played. You're wrong there, too. Perhaps you do not understand what I want. Thankfully, I've broken down some of the big benefits I've seen in class systems, and posted links to those break-downs to help you understand. I haven't seen anything that this system helps to accomplish that requires this system to accomplish. Elucidate me.</blockquote>

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