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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SageMinerve" data-source="post: 6194722" data-attributes="member: 69067">I went back and read your article. Weirdly enough, I find that "It's more about what you can't do than what you can do" intersects with your 5 reasons, but especially #2 and #5.But it's apples and oranges, really. You're talking about virtues (I'd call it "goals" or "objectives" personally because using such a "charged" word like "virtue" has the nasty side-effect (unintended, IM sure) of putting your opinion up there on a pedestal and opinions that disagree way, way down below. Not good for debate).I myself talk about how they're built ("classes list things a PC can and can't do"). Notice that there's no commentary implied about whether it's a good or a bad thing.The thing is, to come back to your article, you mention Streamlining Decision-Making as one of your 5 virtues. I happen to agree a lot with that. It's just that your "fighter learning fireball" example seems to be in direct contradiction.Without any more details about how such a ranger would be defined, I can't really have an opinion on this. It could go either way:1) If the ranger casts spells in a spontaneous / instinctive manner (à la Sorcerer), I'd say no, he can use scrolls. But that's just my taste. If the game went and said such a ranger can use scrolls, it wouldn't be the end of the world to me;2) If the ranger is more of an "academic" wizard, with a spellbook and all, I'd say yes use scrolls. After all, if he's using a scrollbook, he can surely use a scrollpage, right?So there you have it, and even though it's a bit tangential to the debate: if someone uses a spellbook to learn his spells, he can use scrolls. Clear, logical, coherent. [/sidetrack]No reason to learn magic? Why the hell not? Is he never wounded? Does he think he will go through all of his adventuring life without having his life threatened at least once by injury, poison or some such thing?First of all, before I address this, let me stress that I find your example to be an extremely corner case, that has no basis outside of supporting your argument.That being said, are rogues/thieves really the best way to represent what you're describing? Your "thieves of life" are stealing life, that doesn't make them thieves.</blockquote>

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