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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6195295" data-attributes="member: 2067">I believe you may be confusing thinking about the flaws in the proposed idea for hand-waving. I'm engaging the ideas to see if they're of much actual value, and finding them fairly wanting. No problem admitting that. We can easily slide the "no apparent purpose" dial up a notch to "no real constructive purpose." I have been convinced that there is a purpose for which there may be some small marginal utility: If one is an offline gamer and one needs a list of magic items sorted by classical "four character type" kinds of characters, such a list could certainly provide some bang for the buck. Is that a coherent defense of the class group concept, though?I don't know what's not fair about it. "Is that the best use of the page count?" is a pretty relevant issue. WotC has an online system that presumably could serve as such an index, and would be a much better tool than a vague list of indistinct general groups, so given that, why blow pagecount on something of pretty marginal utility? Why accept kind-of-useful-in-some-cases when the path to very-useful-in-many-cases is clear?Well, what's the point here in this conversation? I'm here to express my criticism of the problems that the advertised idea of class groups bring, and to be enlightened as to what they offer those who have become enamored of them, to see if such offerings can be better met without said problems that class groups bring, in an effort to learn more about what people like about their games and to hopefully improve the game in some small way. I'm interested in 5e being the best D&D it can be."Can be done better" and "Not helpful to many folks" are relevant things to talk about for that goal. That's relevant to critiquing a proposed 5e game mechanic. Which is, to be clear, what I'm doing here.</blockquote>

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