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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5706683" data-attributes="member: 42582">I may have missed that!The 4e module that comes with the Monster Vault, in describing the fight with the dungeon overlord (the Winter King) explains how much damage can be inflicted using Intimidate and Bluff. I think this is the 4e designers realising how to consistently implement there own system!I think a GM could reasonably rule that the damage inflicted by Intimidation or Bluffing cannot kill (but only disable, as per the unconsciousness at 0 hp rules). A bard, on the other hand, is using magic, and I've got no trouble with a Bard speaking words that not only dishearten but kill their enemies (this seems more consistent with much mythology - at least northern and western European mythology - than do magic missiles and fireballs).Whether the player base is, in general, capable of separating hit point damage from physical injury I don't know. Obviously some are not (as per the current thread in General on the topic). Equally, some others are. I don't know who is more typical.</blockquote>