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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cybit" data-source="post: 6261940" data-attributes="member: 66111">The HP limits on spells absolutely destroy a lot of the AoE effects, since the HP limits are total HP across all creatures.  Sleep / similar spells are nasty, but IIRC, the total HP limits basically stop it after 2-3 creatures, assuming the caster rolled exceptionally well.  That's one of the changes that doesn't get caught in theory but shows up in play - the HP limits that a lot of spells have really hit the spells hard in terms of mass effectiveness.  Second - the amount of spells casters get are a significant impediment.  You don't have the normal "wizard knows all the spells" issue that you have had in previous editions.  The amount of spells a wizard can cast are also far more limited, and many of the spells that are being thrown around as "well just do X, Y, and Z" don't stack as they used to.  I would point folks towards the concentration rules - concentration puts a large damper on spell stacking.  As for Mage Armor - the only way to get a 16 is if you have a 16 DEX starting off, which means that it is your single highest stat, or tied for it.   [MENTION=83996]Lokiare[/MENTION] - if you are looking for a reason to hate the game, you will find plenty.  As a primarily 4E player, and someone whose favorite edition of D&D is 4E by far and away, NEXT is pretty good for me.  It is currently supplanting 4E as my favorite edition, and the power gap between the casters and the melee-ers (I hate casters & love melee characters) has diminished greatly - to the point where even at L10, I'm not sure I'd rather be a caster or not.  Casters can do lots of cool things, but they can't do them all at once - and that puts a significant damper on their power.</blockquote>

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