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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 3258372" data-attributes="member: 7808">By a strict reading of the rules, the Legolas trick is not possible.&nbsp; A bow does damage of 1d6 or 1d4, but an arrow does damage of &quot;-&quot;.&nbsp; Feel free to attack with one all you want, but you'll never hurt someone with it.*Now, if you want to create a separate feat to treat an arrow as a weapon, or allow an arrow to have a different damage when used without a bow, that's fine.&nbsp; But remember that the damage is completely made up.&nbsp; You now also have to make up the crit range, and decide whether the damage is piercing (with the tip) or bludgeoning (smacking someone with the shaft).&nbsp; More importantly, you need to decide how much area it threatens.&nbsp; A DM would be well within their rights to rule that an arrow does not threaten an area (like an unarmed strike or a whip) when used as an improvised weapon.&nbsp; And you need some way to threaten in order to make an AoO (although there is no requirement to take the AoO with the weapon you threaten with).&nbsp; These same limitation apply to trying to use a bow as an improvised weapon.&nbsp; The key thing to remember, though, is that all of this is purely made up by the DM, and is well into the area of house rules.*Edit: Hmm, I completely missed the text that details the arrow being used as an improvised weapon.&nbsp; I'll have to retract most of this post.&nbsp; Oops.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 3258372, member: 7808"] By a strict reading of the rules, the Legolas trick is not possible. A bow does damage of 1d6 or 1d4, but an arrow does damage of "-". Feel free to attack with one all you want, but you'll never hurt someone with it.* Now, if you want to create a separate feat to treat an arrow as a weapon, or allow an arrow to have a different damage when used without a bow, that's fine. But remember that the damage is completely made up. You now also have to make up the crit range, and decide whether the damage is piercing (with the tip) or bludgeoning (smacking someone with the shaft). More importantly, you need to decide how much area it threatens. A DM would be well within their rights to rule that an arrow does not threaten an area (like an unarmed strike or a whip) when used as an improvised weapon. And you need some way to threaten in order to make an AoO (although there is no requirement to take the AoO with the weapon you threaten with). These same limitation apply to trying to use a bow as an improvised weapon. The key thing to remember, though, is that all of this is purely made up by the DM, and is well into the area of house rules. *Edit: Hmm, I completely missed the text that details the arrow being used as an improvised weapon. I'll have to retract most of this post. Oops. [/QUOTE]

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