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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3258468" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>That is not the issue. If the arrow is in hand, you can according to RAW use it as an improvised weapon on an AoO. Nobody is disagreeing with you on this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you draw it as Ammunition (using the rules in the Ammunition section for a bow), it is a free action. This free action can only be done when the arrow is used with a bow <strong>as ammunition</strong>. RAW states this.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise, drawing an arrow to use as a weapon (or retrieving an arrow as a stored item) is a move action (or part of normal movement with a BAB of +1) unless one has the Quickdraw feat.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So yes, an archer can fire an arrow as a Standard action, then use a Move Action (or part of a Movement Move Action) draw another arrow and his round is over. Later on before his next round, he can AoO with the arrow at -4 as an improvised weapon. He can even use Combat Reflexes to do multiple AoOs with the arrow as long as he does not hit with it. Once he hits with it, the arrow is destroyed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But, one cannot just ignore the fact that drawing an arrow is in the Ammunition section of the rules and it says that it is a free action when using a bow and consider it RAW that he can do it when not using a bow.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you are concerned with the "plausibility" of pulling it out with a bow as taking no time, but pulling it out for melee use should still take no time, consider that when pulled out for a bow, the feathers are held. When used as a weapon, the middle of the shaft is held. It takes more time (with one hand, the other is holding the bow) to move the hand from the feathers down the shaft of the arrow (possibly by either throwing it in the air and catching it, or by pushing it against a belt and sliding the hand down).</p><p></p><p>So, both plausibilty and RAW indicate this cannot be done quickly (i.e. as a free action).</p><p></p><p></p><p>On the other hand, you do not appear to care what RAW states. You just want free unpaid for cheese. Your personal entitlement rules over RAW, right? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3258468, member: 2011"] That is not the issue. If the arrow is in hand, you can according to RAW use it as an improvised weapon on an AoO. Nobody is disagreeing with you on this. If you draw it as Ammunition (using the rules in the Ammunition section for a bow), it is a free action. This free action can only be done when the arrow is used with a bow [b]as ammunition[/b]. RAW states this. Otherwise, drawing an arrow to use as a weapon (or retrieving an arrow as a stored item) is a move action (or part of normal movement with a BAB of +1) unless one has the Quickdraw feat. So yes, an archer can fire an arrow as a Standard action, then use a Move Action (or part of a Movement Move Action) draw another arrow and his round is over. Later on before his next round, he can AoO with the arrow at -4 as an improvised weapon. He can even use Combat Reflexes to do multiple AoOs with the arrow as long as he does not hit with it. Once he hits with it, the arrow is destroyed. But, one cannot just ignore the fact that drawing an arrow is in the Ammunition section of the rules and it says that it is a free action when using a bow and consider it RAW that he can do it when not using a bow. If you are concerned with the "plausibility" of pulling it out with a bow as taking no time, but pulling it out for melee use should still take no time, consider that when pulled out for a bow, the feathers are held. When used as a weapon, the middle of the shaft is held. It takes more time (with one hand, the other is holding the bow) to move the hand from the feathers down the shaft of the arrow (possibly by either throwing it in the air and catching it, or by pushing it against a belt and sliding the hand down). So, both plausibilty and RAW indicate this cannot be done quickly (i.e. as a free action). On the other hand, you do not appear to care what RAW states. You just want free unpaid for cheese. Your personal entitlement rules over RAW, right? :lol: [/QUOTE]
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