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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3260409" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I've already said "I understand your POV".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your entire argument boils does to "the designers said "for use with" instead of "when using", hence, the designers did not mean "when using"". But if you look at the other sentence on the topic, the designers did state "<strong>When using</strong> a bow". Practically, the exact words you just wrote here.</p><p></p><p>But, the words "when using" has a different meaning when the designer writes them and when you write them???</p><p></p><p></p><p>And yes, it does denote intent with a ranged weapon. My intent is to pull out the arrow and shoot it. However, firing a bow in melee results in an AoO. My enemy AoOs me and knocks me unconscious. My INTENT was to shoot the bow, I just never got a chance to do it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are splitting hairs on the semantics of the wording on this one. The language of the designers is not always precise, but in this case, the intent appears clear (and even the OP has come to realize this).</p><p></p><p>Both quotes "using a bow" and "for use with a ranged weapon" discuss use and they discuss use with the actual ranged weapon. They do not <strong>explicitly</strong> discuss intent of use (although you are interpreting those "use/using" phrases to mean that), but they allow for intent of use (as per the AoO example).</p><p></p><p>You appear to be claiming that intent of use and concurrent use are two different things that the designers <strong>explicitly</strong> meant in these sentences. Quite frankly, I have written gaming material and authors are totally blindsided and amazed by how much meaning people try to shoehorn into their words. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>WotC: "I meant ammo used with a weapon. How is that unclear?" <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3260409, member: 2011"] I've already said "I understand your POV". Your entire argument boils does to "the designers said "for use with" instead of "when using", hence, the designers did not mean "when using"". But if you look at the other sentence on the topic, the designers did state "[b]When using[/b] a bow". Practically, the exact words you just wrote here. But, the words "when using" has a different meaning when the designer writes them and when you write them??? And yes, it does denote intent with a ranged weapon. My intent is to pull out the arrow and shoot it. However, firing a bow in melee results in an AoO. My enemy AoOs me and knocks me unconscious. My INTENT was to shoot the bow, I just never got a chance to do it. I think you are splitting hairs on the semantics of the wording on this one. The language of the designers is not always precise, but in this case, the intent appears clear (and even the OP has come to realize this). Both quotes "using a bow" and "for use with a ranged weapon" discuss use and they discuss use with the actual ranged weapon. They do not [b]explicitly[/b] discuss intent of use (although you are interpreting those "use/using" phrases to mean that), but they allow for intent of use (as per the AoO example). You appear to be claiming that intent of use and concurrent use are two different things that the designers [b]explicitly[/b] meant in these sentences. Quite frankly, I have written gaming material and authors are totally blindsided and amazed by how much meaning people try to shoehorn into their words. ;) WotC: "I meant ammo used with a weapon. How is that unclear?" :lol: [/QUOTE]
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