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<blockquote data-quote="Jürgen Hubert" data-source="post: 396529" data-attributes="member: 7177"><p>(Checks MM)</p><p></p><p>Hmmm. I notice that "standard elves" use longbows, while orcs only have javelins. Plus, elves are smarter and wiser than orcs, which suggests to my mind that elves would do the sensible thing and <em><strong>not</strong></em> charge the orcs with their brandished swords, but hide in the bushes and kill them off with arrows at a long range.</p><p></p><p>Sure, in melee combat your basic orc has a good chance of killing a "standard elf" (though even that depends on who rolls the better initiative - and again, the elf has the advantage here). But that's only relevant for peopl who view single combat with members of uncivilized races as something desireable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup, hobgoblins are underappreciated (and I have made them a full-fledged player character race in <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=38&ttitle=Urbis" target="_blank">my setting</a> to combat this). It is easy to see why they and elves are such mortal enemies...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmm... They have a <em>really</em> sheltered childhood? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, the old orcs are tough as nails, and understand the value of the right tactics in warfare.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, they are surrounded by hordes of younger orcs who <em>don't</em>...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Elder Things, actually. And yes, that was a sloppy piece of work (leaving aside the mistakes they made when they let those hairy monkeys loose...).</p><p></p><p>It all depends on how diligent the creator race in question is. If they regularily check up on the genes that say: "You find the pheromones emitted by elves incredibly sexy and will do everything they say", then there shouldn't be any major problems - apart from a giant monster now and then that goes off to eat a human village or something.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, is it allowable for good people to have serfs to lord over?</p><p></p><p>And what about kings, anyway? Did the people <em>vote</em> them into office? If not, what gives them the power of life and death over their subjects?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, at least they are both part of the animal kingdom. And mammals as well. So there's probably <em>some</em> common base there...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, humans are fairly bright monkeys. But monkeys got organisation and hierarchy before they ever recieved what we so laughingly call intelligence.</p><p></p><p>Intelligence, at least in a fantasy world, does not automatically mean you will want to be part of any hierarchy.</p><p></p><p>(<em>Realistically</em> some kind of organisation is probably required for a species evolve to sapience. But if you are going for this level of realism, then you will have to ask yourself how <em>plant</em> matter could ever evolve brain tissue, and then you will have to ask more and more questions unless you just assume that treants are an artificially created species - which just proves my point. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Possible? Yes. Likely? No. After all, the treants <em>are</em> smart and wise enough to recognize a setup that is to their advantage - and it is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, they <em>do</em> seem to be living in the forests, which means that at least <em>some</em> of them know what they are doing...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You got it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jürgen Hubert, post: 396529, member: 7177"] (Checks MM) Hmmm. I notice that "standard elves" use longbows, while orcs only have javelins. Plus, elves are smarter and wiser than orcs, which suggests to my mind that elves would do the sensible thing and [i][b]not[/b][/i] charge the orcs with their brandished swords, but hide in the bushes and kill them off with arrows at a long range. Sure, in melee combat your basic orc has a good chance of killing a "standard elf" (though even that depends on who rolls the better initiative - and again, the elf has the advantage here). But that's only relevant for peopl who view single combat with members of uncivilized races as something desireable. Yup, hobgoblins are underappreciated (and I have made them a full-fledged player character race in [URL=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=38&ttitle=Urbis]my setting[/URL] to combat this). It is easy to see why they and elves are such mortal enemies... Hmmm... They have a [i]really[/i] sheltered childhood? ;) Sure, the old orcs are tough as nails, and understand the value of the right tactics in warfare. Unfortunately, they are surrounded by hordes of younger orcs who [i]don't[/i]... Elder Things, actually. And yes, that was a sloppy piece of work (leaving aside the mistakes they made when they let those hairy monkeys loose...). It all depends on how diligent the creator race in question is. If they regularily check up on the genes that say: "You find the pheromones emitted by elves incredibly sexy and will do everything they say", then there shouldn't be any major problems - apart from a giant monster now and then that goes off to eat a human village or something. [B][/B] Well, is it allowable for good people to have serfs to lord over? And what about kings, anyway? Did the people [i]vote[/i] them into office? If not, what gives them the power of life and death over their subjects? Well, at least they are both part of the animal kingdom. And mammals as well. So there's probably [i]some[/i] common base there... [B][/B] Well, humans are fairly bright monkeys. But monkeys got organisation and hierarchy before they ever recieved what we so laughingly call intelligence. Intelligence, at least in a fantasy world, does not automatically mean you will want to be part of any hierarchy. ([i]Realistically[/i] some kind of organisation is probably required for a species evolve to sapience. But if you are going for this level of realism, then you will have to ask yourself how [i]plant[/i] matter could ever evolve brain tissue, and then you will have to ask more and more questions unless you just assume that treants are an artificially created species - which just proves my point. ;) ) Possible? Yes. Likely? No. After all, the treants [i]are[/i] smart and wise enough to recognize a setup that is to their advantage - and it is. Well, they [i]do[/i] seem to be living in the forests, which means that at least [i]some[/i] of them know what they are doing... You got it. [/QUOTE]
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