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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6931641" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Or possibly your PCs are on the weak side offensively.Just for the sake of fun... clerics are mediocre offensively, so let's calculate the kill time for four 13th level clerics against a beholder. Let's make it two Arcana Clerics using Booming Blade, and two Nature Clerics using Shillelagh. All clerics will be using Spiritual Weapon IV and Spirit Guardians. I'll ignore the beholder's offense because we're not interested in that, and its antimagic. I'll also ignore its flight. I am not sure if you can stack radiant and necrotic Spirit Guardians with each other, or all four, but for the sake of simplicity let's just say it stacks freely so I don't have to pick another spell.Beholder: AC 18, 180 HP, Wis +7 save.Arcana Clerics: +7 to hit (Str 14) for 3d8+2 damage with Booming Blade (ignore the damage rider because the beholder won't trip it), +10 to hit for 2d8+5 (Wis 20) with Spiritual Weapon. DC 18 Spirit Guardians for 5d8 damage, Wis save for half.Nature Clerics: +10 to hit (Wis 20) for d8+5 damage with Shillelagh, +10 to hit for 2d8+5 (Wis 20) with Spiritual Weapon. DC 18 Spirit Guardians for 5d8 damage, Wis save for half.Booming Blade DPR is 8.43, Shillelagh DPR is 6.40, Spiritual Weapon DPR is 9.55, Spirit Guardians DPR is 16.87.Total DPR is 2*8.43 + 2*6.40 + 4*9.55 + 4*16.87 = 135.34. The beholder will last less than two rounds before dying.If this were instead of a group of GWM Battlemasters, each attacking at +5 with advantage for d12+18 points of damage per hit twice per round, they'd be doing a collective 140.65 points of damage. So, about the same damage range.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6931641, member: 6787650"] Or possibly your PCs are on the weak side offensively. Just for the sake of fun... clerics are mediocre offensively, so let's calculate the kill time for four 13th level clerics against a beholder. Let's make it two Arcana Clerics using Booming Blade, and two Nature Clerics using Shillelagh. All clerics will be using Spiritual Weapon IV and Spirit Guardians. I'll ignore the beholder's offense because we're not interested in that, and its antimagic. I'll also ignore its flight. I am not sure if you can stack radiant and necrotic Spirit Guardians with each other, or all four, but for the sake of simplicity let's just say it stacks freely so I don't have to pick another spell. Beholder: AC 18, 180 HP, Wis +7 save. Arcana Clerics: +7 to hit (Str 14) for 3d8+2 damage with Booming Blade (ignore the damage rider because the beholder won't trip it), +10 to hit for 2d8+5 (Wis 20) with Spiritual Weapon. DC 18 Spirit Guardians for 5d8 damage, Wis save for half. Nature Clerics: +10 to hit (Wis 20) for d8+5 damage with Shillelagh, +10 to hit for 2d8+5 (Wis 20) with Spiritual Weapon. DC 18 Spirit Guardians for 5d8 damage, Wis save for half. Booming Blade DPR is 8.43, Shillelagh DPR is 6.40, Spiritual Weapon DPR is 9.55, Spirit Guardians DPR is 16.87. Total DPR is [B]2*8.43 + 2*6.40 + 4*9.55 + 4*16.87 = 135.34[/B]. The beholder will last less than two rounds before dying. If this were instead of a group of GWM Battlemasters, each attacking at +5 with advantage for d12+18 points of damage per hit twice per round, they'd be doing a collective 140.65 points of damage. So, about the same damage range. [/QUOTE]

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