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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 6580570" data-attributes="member: 6777737"><p>As a ritual it will take 10 minutes, but that's beside the point.</p><p></p><p>If it's an army, then an army has resources. It's not a PC group with 20,000 members. It will have combat engineers, and more than enough backs to get a ridiculous amount of manual labor done very quickly. Yes, even orcs have combat engineers. Why do you think they bring goblins?</p><p></p><p>> the only bridge across a major river</p><p></p><p>Collapse the bridge out of spite from their end. Build ferries. Cross river. Otherwise, go around.</p><p></p><p>> Or in a tunnel</p><p></p><p>Tunnel around. Then collapse the old tunnel from both sides. Otherwise, go around.</p><p></p><p>> footbridge</p><p></p><p>Cut the ropes. Then have some goblins cross and tie a lead to the bridge, haul it back up or start a second bridge, and cross. Otherwise, go around.</p><p></p><p>> drawbridge leading into a keep/castle</p><p></p><p>Why didn't you just raise the drawbridge? Hell, we'll just build a short ramp or use ladders to get over your dome and we can go right in! If that doesn't work, we'll just have to attack the walls. I mean, who attacks a castle and expects the gate to be open?</p><p></p><p>Sure, if you impose stupid restrictions like, "Its a <em>bottomless gorge</em> and this is the <em>only bridge</em> and you <em>can't ever cross it any other way even magically</em>," then sure, it works. In reality, an army doesn't set out without the capability and knowledge required to circumvent basic natural barriers, and *no* army is so stupid as to not have a plan B if a bridge, mountain pass, or some other natural barrier is taken by the enemy. Yes, it will take time. Days or weeks, possibly. However, all you've done is said, "What if I take this immense natural barrier that has a passage through or across it, and then removed or held the passage." That's been a tactic of war for thousands of years, from the Battle of Thermopylae to the German destruction of the bridges across the Rhine in WWII.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 6580570, member: 6777737"] As a ritual it will take 10 minutes, but that's beside the point. If it's an army, then an army has resources. It's not a PC group with 20,000 members. It will have combat engineers, and more than enough backs to get a ridiculous amount of manual labor done very quickly. Yes, even orcs have combat engineers. Why do you think they bring goblins? > the only bridge across a major river Collapse the bridge out of spite from their end. Build ferries. Cross river. Otherwise, go around. > Or in a tunnel Tunnel around. Then collapse the old tunnel from both sides. Otherwise, go around. > footbridge Cut the ropes. Then have some goblins cross and tie a lead to the bridge, haul it back up or start a second bridge, and cross. Otherwise, go around. > drawbridge leading into a keep/castle Why didn't you just raise the drawbridge? Hell, we'll just build a short ramp or use ladders to get over your dome and we can go right in! If that doesn't work, we'll just have to attack the walls. I mean, who attacks a castle and expects the gate to be open? Sure, if you impose stupid restrictions like, "Its a [I]bottomless gorge[/I] and this is the [I]only bridge[/I] and you [I]can't ever cross it any other way even magically[/I]," then sure, it works. In reality, an army doesn't set out without the capability and knowledge required to circumvent basic natural barriers, and *no* army is so stupid as to not have a plan B if a bridge, mountain pass, or some other natural barrier is taken by the enemy. Yes, it will take time. Days or weeks, possibly. However, all you've done is said, "What if I take this immense natural barrier that has a passage through or across it, and then removed or held the passage." That's been a tactic of war for thousands of years, from the Battle of Thermopylae to the German destruction of the bridges across the Rhine in WWII. [/QUOTE]
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