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<blockquote data-quote="jester47" data-source="post: 898108" data-attributes="member: 2238">I like this discussion too.Right, a monster of equivalent CR is supposed to suck up 1/4 of the resources of four PCs.&nbsp; That is a big challenge.&nbsp;&nbsp; Magic items balance this out.&nbsp; I agree.&nbsp; I think my entire point is that making magic items one use things or limiting thier role in the game is necessaryu to make it interesting. I agree with you on this.&nbsp; Most legendary and mythological heroes do not depend on items, and if they do, they don't keep them.&nbsp; But even when they have an item that is integral to the character, that item often takes a back seat to solving problems.Well considering that Achillies was a half-nereid he probably already gets a few extra abilities.&nbsp; Depending on who you ask, his mother (not human and thus having access to the divine) either covered him in Ambrosia, or dipped him in the river styx.&nbsp; Either of these was to make him divine.&nbsp; So I would say that Achillies had as a gift from his mother a divine rank of 0, at level 1.&nbsp; This would give achillies a DR of 35/+4 at all levels 1-20.&nbsp; Paris overcomes this with the help of apollo.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is not a home grown solution.&nbsp; He is actually barly divine in the myth, and the divine rank of 0 works.&nbsp; I would say that the rest of the heroes of theilliad were epic level, and that by that time Achillies was himself epic level.Aaron.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jester47, post: 898108, member: 2238"] I like this discussion too. Right, a monster of equivalent CR is supposed to suck up 1/4 of the resources of four PCs. That is a big challenge. Magic items balance this out. I agree. I think my entire point is that making magic items one use things or limiting thier role in the game is necessaryu to make it interesting. I agree with you on this. Most legendary and mythological heroes do not depend on items, and if they do, they don't keep them. But even when they have an item that is integral to the character, that item often takes a back seat to solving problems. Well considering that Achillies was a half-nereid he probably already gets a few extra abilities. Depending on who you ask, his mother (not human and thus having access to the divine) either covered him in Ambrosia, or dipped him in the river styx. Either of these was to make him divine. So I would say that Achillies had as a gift from his mother a divine rank of 0, at level 1. This would give achillies a DR of 35/+4 at all levels 1-20. Paris overcomes this with the help of apollo. This is not a home grown solution. He is actually barly divine in the myth, and the divine rank of 0 works. I would say that the rest of the heroes of theilliad were epic level, and that by that time Achillies was himself epic level. Aaron. [/QUOTE]

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