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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 398026" data-attributes="member: 3051">I know they add huge flexibility, that's not really the issue.  I have a Sorcerer and he LOVES Shadow spells, to get around his limited spell list, and he groups with a Wizard who uses them to get around his memorization problem and specialization school limits.It's that at a certain point they stop being useful, when the drop in effectiveness becomes too great.  The flexibility is nice, but if you're only picking from a small group of spells, you don't gain as much.  As I was trying to point out, the problem with something like Lesser Shadow Evocation is that if you're dropping 40% off the average damage thanks to the Will save AND being forced to use a higher spell slot, who would take it?  You'd be better off just taking Fireball or Lightning Bolt, even against a monster partially resistant to that element.As for monster summoning, I thought there was something (either in there, or in the errata, or in the Sage's stuff) that said if the mimicked spell has a longer cast time it uses that instead.  Sorta like how Wish works.Those Conjuration utility spells you listed wouldn't really be useful here.  A Tenser's Floating Disk conjured with Shadow Conjuration is only 20% real, so whether you disbelieve or not it won't carry much weight.  A shadow Phantom Steed won't go  very fast at all (depending on DM's ruling, it's either 20% as fast, or has only a 20% chance of moving full speed).If you're going to use these spells, just make sure you have Spell Focus: Illusion</blockquote>

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