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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8194313" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Yes, I absolutely say it's naughty word.</p><p></p><p>You're confusing in-game with out-of-game knowledge.</p><p></p><p>In-game, people know that trolls can get up if you don't set them on fire.</p><p></p><p>In-game, people know that healing magic exists - but what they don't know is whether a body on the ground is unconscious or dead (in combat), nor how many hits it takes to make someone dead as opposed to unconscious. They have no idea about any of that. In fact, what they know is, there's no easy way to prevent healing magic. There's no simple thing like fire. Maybe there should be, but here isn't.</p><p></p><p>You keep saying stuff like "chop off the head" like it's trivial. That's completely ridiculous. How, exactly, are you going to "chop the head off" a dude in full plate (or really any kind of serious armour), lying on muddy ground, in the middle of a goddamn battle? That would take you MULTIPLE rounds. Not six seconds. Probably 20 or more, even if you had a weapon which could do it (it would be extremely hard with anything except some kind of axe - even a sword would be bad because of the angle). On top of that, if you have monsters do that, Revivfy doesn't work, so you're not just killing PCs - you're going the next level and killing them so hard only really serious res spells can work on them. Which, okay, I guess if that's what you want to do, but it's pretty wild.</p><p></p><p>As for the rest of what you're saying - yeah I agree that whack-a-mole is arguably a problem - but crude metagaming is not a good solution to that problem. Your other solutions are better (-10 is too small given 5E's inflated damage, but same idea different number could work). The point is though, humans aren't trolls. You simply cannot, in a magical world, be 100% certain that no-one is going to cast a spell that gets people back up. Metagaming is a shoddy way to deal with that. Monsters being ready for it to happen is a better solution than metagaming body-whacking with dubious RP excuses.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8194313, member: 18"] Yes, I absolutely say it's naughty word. You're confusing in-game with out-of-game knowledge. In-game, people know that trolls can get up if you don't set them on fire. In-game, people know that healing magic exists - but what they don't know is whether a body on the ground is unconscious or dead (in combat), nor how many hits it takes to make someone dead as opposed to unconscious. They have no idea about any of that. In fact, what they know is, there's no easy way to prevent healing magic. There's no simple thing like fire. Maybe there should be, but here isn't. You keep saying stuff like "chop off the head" like it's trivial. That's completely ridiculous. How, exactly, are you going to "chop the head off" a dude in full plate (or really any kind of serious armour), lying on muddy ground, in the middle of a goddamn battle? That would take you MULTIPLE rounds. Not six seconds. Probably 20 or more, even if you had a weapon which could do it (it would be extremely hard with anything except some kind of axe - even a sword would be bad because of the angle). On top of that, if you have monsters do that, Revivfy doesn't work, so you're not just killing PCs - you're going the next level and killing them so hard only really serious res spells can work on them. Which, okay, I guess if that's what you want to do, but it's pretty wild. As for the rest of what you're saying - yeah I agree that whack-a-mole is arguably a problem - but crude metagaming is not a good solution to that problem. Your other solutions are better (-10 is too small given 5E's inflated damage, but same idea different number could work). The point is though, humans aren't trolls. You simply cannot, in a magical world, be 100% certain that no-one is going to cast a spell that gets people back up. Metagaming is a shoddy way to deal with that. Monsters being ready for it to happen is a better solution than metagaming body-whacking with dubious RP excuses. [/QUOTE]
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