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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5214687" data-attributes="member: 59248">This is a funky ruling.Funky and, arguably, wrong.That's darkness -- outside on a moonless night or in rooms with no light sources.The rules never say what the visibility is in rooms that -have- light sources (eg, the torches, sunrods, etc the party is carrying with them) outside the "bright light" zones of said sources.  Now, dim light...... Indirect illumination.   Like, say, the zone of bright light filling the center of a room.By strict RAW, a room with a source of bright light has no darkness in it (except for one with only dim light sources with known radiuses, of course).  Instead, my best interpretation is that anything that has LoS (or close enough; see indirect light) to a bright light source is filled with dim light.The rules -don't- do the bright->dim fadeoff of 3rd ed.  But nor do they say that areas immediately outside a zone of bright light are pitch black (nor does it make any sense to say so, except -sometimes- with magical light).</blockquote>