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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9066252" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Much like the CR 4 (!!!) Banshee in 5E.  Con save 13 or die.Let's see, some other 5E deadly monsters just off the top of my head.There are plenty of undead that drop max HP on a hit.  If your max HP drop to 0, you're dead.  If you're unconscious, you may not be able to gain the benefit of a long rest because (emphasis added) "A character can't benefit from more than one long rest in a 24-hour period, and a character must have at least 1 hit point at the start of the rest to gain its benefits."  Of course, that's up to the DM, but depending on how you read it you may need a greater restoration (level 5 spell) in order to get back any hit points.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Specter (CR 1): Can go through solid walls, so have a hallway just have them pop in, attack and go back through the solid wall.  Even better yet, come up through the floor so no opportunity attack.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vampiric Mist (CR 3): As a bonus, they can attack people in their sleep and because they're a mist they can go through the smallest of cracks.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wight (CR 3): in addition to dying, rise up as a zombie 24 hours later.</li> </ul>That's just going up to level 3.Then you have fun things like<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shadow (CR 1/2): each hit reduces the target's strength score by 1d4.  If strength is reduced to 0, they die.  Throw a bunch of these at the typical party with strength as their dump stat and watch PCs drop like flies.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Intellect Devourer (CR 2): DC 12 intelligence saving throw.  If you fail, roll 3d6 and if the result is higher than the target's intelligence they are stunned.  Next round the monster starts an intelligence contest - which, since the target's intelligence is now 0 it will automatically win - the target's brain is eaten and the intellect devourer replaces the target's brain.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mummy (CR 3): mummy rot, DC 12 con save every time it hits.  Can't regain HP so if knocked to 0, can't regain consciousness.  As a bonus, lose 10 HP every 24 hours and turn to dust unless you get a Remove Curse, a 3rd level spell.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Catolebas (CR 5): has a death ray (recharge 5,6) that does up to 64 HP of damage if you fail the DC 16 con save by 5 or more.  Reduced to 0 by the ray? Dead.</li> </ul>That's just the low level monsters.  So tell me again how D&D 5E can't be deadly just using standard rules if the DM wants?  Because you can cherry pick deadly monsters in both 5E and AD&D.  There may have been more and there were tended to be more "save or suck" things in AD&D, something 5E backed off on because surfing the web on your phone while waiting to actually get back to playing D&D isn't fun.  But the deadliness is still there if you want.</blockquote>

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