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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 5777833" data-attributes="member: 5038">I disagree about thievery,deception and swashbuckling fighter style and even the bardic music. Other variants:Arcane Sage: Arcane lore mastersDivine Bards: Lore keepers with divine magicNature Bards: Lore keepers with nature/spirit magicSkalds: Warrior PoetTroubador: Roguish BardIn D&D, the 3e  martial rogue variant could fit1. Conan is considered the quintessential 4e Fighter.  Mearls based it upon him.2. It is does not have to be rage.  The official 1e Barbarian did not have rage as a class. It was simply a wilderness warrior with basic weapon: knife, handaxe, and spear + additional weapons and proficiencies based upon the home enviroment. The second edition had a berserker kit (and a non-raging barbarian kit) in the Complete fighter's handbook. A later supplement reintroduced the barbarian class and, again no rage.3. One of the three musketeers was prone to rages (I can't recall which one) Gandalf was the equivalent of an angel. That is where he got his powers.Often there is overlap with sorcerers in that they have magical bloodline that gives them the ability to cast spells, but need the training to do so.Not all witches make pacts with dark entities.  Some are priests/priestessesof "Old Ways" making pacts with fae or other spirits.The D&D druid is an animist and more of a  dnd constructFrom the writings of Julius Caesar, we know the druids were:1. Concerned with the affairs of the gods and the other world (i.e. they would be priests/clerics)2. They were historians, teachers, scholars, judges in disputes and criminal affairs, astronomers3. They liked riddles and enigmasTo become a Druid, you were trained as a bard, then an ollave (priest) all of whom were trained as bards. The final step to becoming a Druid was being chosen from the ollaves based upon your discoveries and insights.Therefore, in 3eD&D, Druid might be better as a PrC requiring levels in bard, cleric and, possibly, wizardFor a different than nature priest, take look at the Mists of Avalon, the Once and Future King (and the sequel, the Book of Merlin). For rpgs, look at  GURPS Celts (Steve Jackson Games), Nation book: Avalon for 7th Sea. As of Merlin being a D&D  druid, it does not fit.In some tales he is of half-demon blood sorcerer in others he is a priest of the old ways. Depending upon source, he is portrayed closer to what 3e D&D would call a bard, priest, and or wizard: He casts charm, healing, illusion spells, polymorph others, polymorph self etc. He has the gift of sight (or divination spells) and, in at least one instance he is portrayed as a skilled musician whose performance is  I'd look at the works of both Malory and Tennyson, TS White's Once and Future King (and the sequel, the Book of Merlin), Mists of Avalon.I'd also add the martial artist priestDefined by being holy men with priestly duties, dealing with spirits and skilled in martial artsIn D&D, the 3e OA Shaman (or a class variant that makes a few changes to be more divine than shaman (e.g., removing the spirit companion).ex. Buddhist Priests, Shinto Priests</blockquote>

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