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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7376304" data-attributes="member: 996">Really, D&D's individuals-not-units tactical scale usually means not a great distinction between just off the front lines and 'long range.'   Two warlord sub-concepts - the effete-general take on the Lazy Lord and the Artillerist could be long-range in a more literal sense, though... INT or CHA or WIS could work depending on emphasis and sub-class.  Another idea I'm starting to like is that the Warlord probably needs to be MAD, at least, some of the sub-classes should lend themselves to that, or maybe the chassis should lend itself to MAD, and some of the sub-classes more to a specific stat.  For instance, an Inspiring Warlord was straight-up CHA, Tactical INT, and Resourceful split the difference. To be fair, I just collected them from the other theread.  Cribbed 8 of them from 4e, a few more from 4e Paragon Paths, several from  [MENTION=6801209]mellored[/MENTION] and the Protector from your Defender, consolidated with some of his more oddball ideas.  But the troop-marshaling 'Marshal' (credit for the name goes to the d20-era Miniatures Handbook) is about the only original sub-class I offered, myself, IIRC.(Anyone I stole from without attribution, please feel free to correct me.)But, even consolidating a number of them, it came out to 16 at my last count.The Thief was the original name of the class.  It was changed to Rogue, and, over time, the concept broadened and became better-supported, much better at it's original speciality, able to pursue other specialties, and, via SA, combat. Finally, in 5e, it came full circle, and the theif name was used as a rogue sub-class, along with it's original sub-class, the Assassin.The fighter & warlord don't have that history, the fighter's name was never changed, it has wobbled aground laterally, more than gained better support, suffering more from being too generic than too specific.  In 5e, its old sub-classes are full classes, in spite of having concepts as narrow as the theif's, though, it could be argued that the Champion calls back it's older incarnations.The Warlord, rather, like the Rogue, Ranger, & Paladin, was broken out from the too-generic fighter which lacked support for such concepts.</blockquote>

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