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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7378454" data-attributes="member: 6716779">With 3 attacks you have a very good chance of colossus slayer and that is on top of things like the -5/+10 feats. Its potentially 1d6+1d8+10. Even without the Rogue its why I think attack granting at will is to good in 5E at least on a support class it might be OK on a Rogue perhaps. &nbsp;Keep in mind a Cleric by comparison gets an extra 1d8 at level 8, 2d8 at 14. Yes I am aware they cast spells but that just means the other warlord abilities need to be competitive with spells as that is what you are giving up. &nbsp;Also see previous post about how I have done it. THe tactical warlord can be better at attack granting than the Battlemaster and I have made a couple of attack granting &quot;invocations&quot; with riders so you can do it a lot and its worth doing but you are not overshadowing the cleric hopefully as you can make a beat down cleric in 5E its just not that obvious and unlimited (when you run out of spells). The beatdown cleric is not that viable until level 5 or even 8 either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7378454, member: 6716779"] With 3 attacks you have a very good chance of colossus slayer and that is on top of things like the -5/+10 feats. Its potentially 1d6+1d8+10. Even without the Rogue its why I think attack granting at will is to good in 5E at least on a support class it might be OK on a Rogue perhaps. Keep in mind a Cleric by comparison gets an extra 1d8 at level 8, 2d8 at 14. Yes I am aware they cast spells but that just means the other warlord abilities need to be competitive with spells as that is what you are giving up. Also see previous post about how I have done it. THe tactical warlord can be better at attack granting than the Battlemaster and I have made a couple of attack granting "invocations" with riders so you can do it a lot and its worth doing but you are not overshadowing the cleric hopefully as you can make a beat down cleric in 5E its just not that obvious and unlimited (when you run out of spells). The beatdown cleric is not that viable until level 5 or even 8 either. [/QUOTE]

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