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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7378478" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Warlords not a fighter though its role is leader/support. Compare its damage to clerics and bards all of which are rather lacklustre. You're not getting at will attack granting this is not my opinion but the developers, even the BM fighter doesn't have it and that is on a high DPR class. There is a reason for that its OP in 5E</p><p></p><p> Its why I am so opposed to it having at will attack granting. </p><p></p><p> If you want to crunch math the average monster AC in the book is 14.5 apparently. That doesn't factor in things like advantage, bard dice, bless etc if you want to abuse the -5/+10 feats. </p><p></p><p> The only way to balance at will attack granting is to either define a basic attack, or make the rules so complicated you may as well limit it via BM dice or something similar or make the attack roughly equal to what the warlord is giving up at best 2d6+5. </p><p></p><p> You can't even level gate it. A level 14 Cleric for example gets at best 2d6+5+2d8 at will on one attack only. Even if you made is a level 14 ability you still have level 14 Rogues, 1d8 +7d6+5.</p><p></p><p> At will can't be balanced in 5E you may be able to grant bonus damage dice that can scale like a cantrip 1d8 level 1-4, 2d8 level 5 etc.</p><p></p><p> I'll put it in 4E terms. At will attack granting in 5E is the equivalent of giving a 4E PHB leader class at will striker levels of damage (ignoring essentials). That is the fundamental problem right there. Its like giving a fighter level 9 spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7378478, member: 6716779"] Warlords not a fighter though its role is leader/support. Compare its damage to clerics and bards all of which are rather lacklustre. You're not getting at will attack granting this is not my opinion but the developers, even the BM fighter doesn't have it and that is on a high DPR class. There is a reason for that its OP in 5E Its why I am so opposed to it having at will attack granting. If you want to crunch math the average monster AC in the book is 14.5 apparently. That doesn't factor in things like advantage, bard dice, bless etc if you want to abuse the -5/+10 feats. The only way to balance at will attack granting is to either define a basic attack, or make the rules so complicated you may as well limit it via BM dice or something similar or make the attack roughly equal to what the warlord is giving up at best 2d6+5. You can't even level gate it. A level 14 Cleric for example gets at best 2d6+5+2d8 at will on one attack only. Even if you made is a level 14 ability you still have level 14 Rogues, 1d8 +7d6+5. At will can't be balanced in 5E you may be able to grant bonus damage dice that can scale like a cantrip 1d8 level 1-4, 2d8 level 5 etc. I'll put it in 4E terms. At will attack granting in 5E is the equivalent of giving a 4E PHB leader class at will striker levels of damage (ignoring essentials). That is the fundamental problem right there. Its like giving a fighter level 9 spells. [/QUOTE]
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