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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7386118" data-attributes="member: 22779">Not caring about &quot;lazy lord&quot;.&nbsp; EVERY SINGLE WARLORD granted actions.&nbsp; It's iconic to the class.&nbsp; It's not some minor element that's shunted to a 10th level ability.&nbsp; You couldn't make a warlord that never granted any actions, be they movement or attacks.&nbsp; At least, you can't with the PHB.&nbsp; And, note that the &quot;warlord&quot; elements that made it into the 5e PHB, are GRANTING ACTIONS!&nbsp; It's so iconic that that's the ONLY THING from warlords that made the port into 5e.&nbsp; So, you make an action that costs two attacks.&nbsp; By 10th level a rogue is doing what, weapon+5d6 damage on a sneak?&nbsp; Guess what?&nbsp; That's about 5 points more than what the warlord could do by himself.&nbsp; A Battlemaster is so far ahead of your class that it's not even funny.Ballocks.&nbsp; EVERY CLERIC played in D&amp;D will have healing spells.&nbsp; EVERY CLERIC can have healing spells after a long rest.&nbsp; Same with druids.&nbsp; Heck, I play a Forge Cleric.&nbsp; Guess what?&nbsp; He casts healing spells.&nbsp; Shock, surprise.&nbsp; I just can't believe it.&nbsp; How you figure that a Forge cleric is a buffing cleric I don't know.&nbsp; But, anyway, yeah, you could play a cleric that never casts a healing spell, but, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that virtually no one ever does.Why would you expect a class to do something that it has never done before?&nbsp; Warlords don't tank.&nbsp; Do you want to change the mechanics so that rogues and wizards can tank?&nbsp; After all, there's no reason that someone couldn't have the Criminal background and take most of the Rogue's schtick.&nbsp; So, rogues should have tank subclasses.Meh.&nbsp; Like I said earlier.&nbsp; Don't let people who hate a concept design that concept.&nbsp; You very obviously have chased down a very strange rabbit hole where you've decided that the game needs a class that can do anything, so, we need to make such a weak sauce class that doesn't actually accomplish anything.&nbsp; Good grief, why on earth would anyone play this and not a Battlemaster?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7386118, member: 22779"] Not caring about "lazy lord". EVERY SINGLE WARLORD granted actions. It's iconic to the class. It's not some minor element that's shunted to a 10th level ability. You couldn't make a warlord that never granted any actions, be they movement or attacks. At least, you can't with the PHB. And, note that the "warlord" elements that made it into the 5e PHB, are GRANTING ACTIONS! It's so iconic that that's the ONLY THING from warlords that made the port into 5e. So, you make an action that costs two attacks. By 10th level a rogue is doing what, weapon+5d6 damage on a sneak? Guess what? That's about 5 points more than what the warlord could do by himself. A Battlemaster is so far ahead of your class that it's not even funny. Ballocks. EVERY CLERIC played in D&D will have healing spells. EVERY CLERIC can have healing spells after a long rest. Same with druids. Heck, I play a Forge Cleric. Guess what? He casts healing spells. Shock, surprise. I just can't believe it. How you figure that a Forge cleric is a buffing cleric I don't know. But, anyway, yeah, you could play a cleric that never casts a healing spell, but, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that virtually no one ever does. Why would you expect a class to do something that it has never done before? Warlords don't tank. Do you want to change the mechanics so that rogues and wizards can tank? After all, there's no reason that someone couldn't have the Criminal background and take most of the Rogue's schtick. So, rogues should have tank subclasses. Meh. Like I said earlier. Don't let people who hate a concept design that concept. You very obviously have chased down a very strange rabbit hole where you've decided that the game needs a class that can do anything, so, we need to make such a weak sauce class that doesn't actually accomplish anything. Good grief, why on earth would anyone play this and not a Battlemaster? [/QUOTE]

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