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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JDowling" data-source="post: 1871435" data-attributes="member: 12596">on second thought a version of this conception seems to be supported by the astral plane and associated psionic abilities, my issue however still comes back to the way reincarnation is dealt with.When a character is reincarnated into the form of say, a badger, if I recall correctly the character acquires new physical statistics but retains INT, WIS, and CHA.  Thus it seems we can safely attribute INT, WIS, and CHA to the immaterial portion of the existant creature (however, immaterial is called into question in certain planes, but one could assert that simply the nature of how reality functions in such planes is so abstract to how it functions in the prime material plane that concerns of what is or is not material in the prime have no bearing necessarily on what is or is not material in the others) whereas STR, CON, and DEX are tied to the physical manifestation we see in the prime material.However, that assertion about the dualistic nature of the system does not preclude the possibility that it could be a "tri-istic" conception where mind is really distinct from soul.  Then one must ask in what meaningful way is mind distinct from soul if they always travel together?  In the Astral plane the three "immaterial statistics" (INT, WIS, CHA) all play important roles while, at least in some versions of the spell, the physical shell and associated "material statistics" are left on the prime material plane (although, I admit I am not as robust in knowledge of how astral statistics work in 3e, and 3.5e I assume that the nature of the issue remains the same as 2e where the "mental stats" replace the "physical stats").If it turns out to be the case that there is no significant difference between the mind and the soul, or that there is no case where the mind or soul is present without the other, one must then ask that if they are distinct, does it matter?Perhaps one could point to the partitioners as being a soul seperated from the mind, but cannot the partitioners still think?  Isn't it more the case that the partitioner had their memories wiped clean instead of having their intellect ripped away from them?These sorts of questions really get to the heart of the matter of if there is a consistent metaphysical theory underlying the D&D multiverse, and if so, what is it?  If not, should there be one, and what should the nature of it be?I find the question rather interesting because I've been toying with the idea of making some house rules for a campaign to have a robust and clear metaphysical theory that the world follows so that when "the hard questions" come up I, as DM, know the answers already.  Also, a world based on certain readings of Aristotle or Berkeley would be quite interesting, I think at least.</blockquote>

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