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Message: <blockquote data-quote="btmcrae" data-source="post: 5789043" data-attributes="member: 47731">4E was a radical departure away form the game's roots.  Getting back closer to them would be a very good idea, and that is just with regard to how the game itself works.  As to campaign settings, the Forgotten Realms, which I am familiar with, has simply had a ton of material written for it, so much so that the only way they could think of doing anything with it last time around was to annihilate it and build it back up, hoping that everyone who liked the setting would very much enjoy their wanton destruction and re-imagining of it.  I am thinking that the response was not exactly what WotC had hoped for. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Anyways, the bad taste of Forgotten Realms 4E is very much still lingering(it is almost as bad as people complaining about how there is no Greyhawk <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />), such that it might be just the right time to compliment it with an old, well-liked taste.   Now, I am a bit biased, seeing as Greyhawk is my favorite campaign setting of them all, but there are many things that Greyhawk has going for it.One, it has not been done to death, meaning it is ripe for a variety of products, namely in-depth books on the campaign setting's regions.  For Forgotten Realms regional info, we're talking the third iteration of most of this stuff, and that would involve a ton of rehashed material.  If one went about it with half a brain, most of the Greyhawk stuff would be NEW, as it is would be based on what bits of extant information that there are, which really is not that much.  Even the regional Greyhawk source books that were published are chock full of gaping information holes, much of it very relevant to basic adventuring in those areas.  Iuz the Evil, The Marklands, and Ivid the Undying tried to cover too much, and ultimately did a half-arsed job on many of the areas they cover.  Two, alongside the core setting and regional books, how about releasing some adventures in support of those regions?  Linked product support?  Stuff that is meant to go together by design?   While modules/adventures don't have the profit margin that big books do, you need them.  Why?  Because you'll never hear somebody say "Remember that paragraph in that core rule book? That was AWESOME!"  What you will hear is "Remember that adventure where your wizard shapechanged into a giant and chucked that drow priestess, who was wrecking us with her spells, into that lava-filled crevasse?  That was AWESOME!!!"(gee, I wonder which adventure that could have happened in? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />).  WotC needs to support the setting with lots of modules/adventures full of setting-specific awesomeness.  And no, that doesn't mean that everything takes place in the City of Greyhawk, or that Zagyg or some other iconic personality makes an appearance in every other adventure(Greyhawk isn't the Forgotten Realms).  It just means to make use of the background, and work a few things into the modules/adventures in a not so "In your FACE!!!" sort of way.Three, ya know, it kind of is good to have those Greyhawk(and other)personality's names attached to their spells/magic items.   Rather than remove the names, it would be far better to add the caveat, "While this spell/item was originally created by X of the World of Greyhawk, a similar spell/item exists in most other campaign worlds where it is know by the name X."  That's a nod to ALL of your campaign settings in the Core books at least.  I know this is the "Greyhawk is the AWSOMEST" thread, but acknowledging ALL settings in the Core books, in even an off-handed way, would be  a heck of good idea!  This is a part of the game's HERITAGE- make use of it, not cast it out!   Whoever thought that something bland and featureless would be oh so much better than something vibrant that just so happens to also point to even more of your products needs to have their head examined.  Next in line for examination would be the product manager who gave such an idea the thumb's up.I am all for WotC doing well, but I would prefer that they make products that I actually want to buy, and that overall respects the history of the campaign setting and enriches it.  They'll probably just go with Forgotten Realms: The "We're Sorry We Screwed It Up Last Time" Edition instead.  One can hope they are more open-minded than that though.Then there is the whole anniversary thing, which is the perfect opportunity to inject some the the old and awesome into the new.  Seldom is that ever a bad idea.  This is a golden opportunity for WotC to tap into the total market, meaning also tap into the veterans out there that grew up on the game. They ought to know that we are no longer the kids screaming 'But I want an oompa loompa now, Daddy!", but that we are now the people who have the discretionary income to buy all the' oompa loompas that we want to, and when we want to! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />  And we are probably going to be more open to buying the oompas loompas that we know and love for our kids than the ones that we don't.  It's that whole "shared memories with your kids" thing.  it is kind nice to be able to relate with your kids about something you both know and love.Yes, I know. As odd as it sounds, against societal odds, those first and second generations of gamers actually found a way to breed(they are a tenacious bunch; and also actually know what "tenacious" even means <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />), and there are many, many times the number of offspring now that there were gamers then, and those older gamer parents are very much open to the idea of letting their kids play fantasy RPGs, unlike the whole slew of foolishness that those early players had to deal with in the early 1980's.  Rather than newspaper headlines like "Mind Flayer Tells Kid to Butcher Schoolmates With Katana", we now have positive headlines like "Players Roll the Dice for Dungeons & Dragons Remake" ans uch in newspapers like Forbes and the NY Times no less.   The environment is about as friendly right now as it has ever been(not that the console/computer gaming industry hasn't helped out in that regard).So, bring back Greyhawk.  It would be a good time to do so, for a variety of reasons.  I guess that is enough blathering for now. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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