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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 5789289" data-attributes="member: 5868"><p>I shared Morrus' view of FR for a long time (well, except about Dragonlance, which I always thought was ruined by the original adventure modules) and am a huge Greyhawk fan. That changed when I picked up the 3E FRCS -- as a result of playing the BG series games -- and subsequently got a copy of the original Grey Box. Ironically I'd played the original SSI Gold Box computer games, but I'd never made the connection between those games and a published campaign setting at the time.</p><p></p><p>I found that if I ignored the named characters (Mary Sues et al), the Realms-shattering events, and the novel-based evolution of canon, FR is a great place to run a wide variety of campaigns. There's such a huge depth of history and lore to draw from that it's easy to find a spot to fit campaign needs with a relative minimum of adaptation. I ran a multi-year successful campaign in my version of the Realms, which I'd effectively Greyhawk-ized by ignoring future canon, novels, RSEs, and big-name characters.</p><p></p><p>Greyhawk still is D&D's core in my heart, but as a result of my experience I'm a fan of FR as well. I think it will work great for 5E if WotC can avoid the historical bad tendencies (those three items I mention above). Ideally, I'd like to see them do a reset to the Grey Box era, then not mess with the timeline further. A campaign setting should expand outward, fleshing out other areas, but not forward -- gaming groups set the "future history" of a campaign setting.</p><p></p><p>I'll certainly echo a call for a return to Greyhawk in 5E -- but only if they put Erik Mona in charge, because I think of anyone I can name he gets it the best.</p><p></p><p>(On the FR novels ... I've read quite a few, and sadly most are crap, but unfortunately that also goes for the majority of D&D "gaming fiction". In reviewing that stuff you almost have to treat gaming fiction as a separate genre of F&SF in order to recalibrate your standards downward.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 5789289, member: 5868"] I shared Morrus' view of FR for a long time (well, except about Dragonlance, which I always thought was ruined by the original adventure modules) and am a huge Greyhawk fan. That changed when I picked up the 3E FRCS -- as a result of playing the BG series games -- and subsequently got a copy of the original Grey Box. Ironically I'd played the original SSI Gold Box computer games, but I'd never made the connection between those games and a published campaign setting at the time. I found that if I ignored the named characters (Mary Sues et al), the Realms-shattering events, and the novel-based evolution of canon, FR is a great place to run a wide variety of campaigns. There's such a huge depth of history and lore to draw from that it's easy to find a spot to fit campaign needs with a relative minimum of adaptation. I ran a multi-year successful campaign in my version of the Realms, which I'd effectively Greyhawk-ized by ignoring future canon, novels, RSEs, and big-name characters. Greyhawk still is D&D's core in my heart, but as a result of my experience I'm a fan of FR as well. I think it will work great for 5E if WotC can avoid the historical bad tendencies (those three items I mention above). Ideally, I'd like to see them do a reset to the Grey Box era, then not mess with the timeline further. A campaign setting should expand outward, fleshing out other areas, but not forward -- gaming groups set the "future history" of a campaign setting. I'll certainly echo a call for a return to Greyhawk in 5E -- but only if they put Erik Mona in charge, because I think of anyone I can name he gets it the best. (On the FR novels ... I've read quite a few, and sadly most are crap, but unfortunately that also goes for the majority of D&D "gaming fiction". In reviewing that stuff you almost have to treat gaming fiction as a separate genre of F&SF in order to recalibrate your standards downward.) [/QUOTE]
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