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<blockquote data-quote="Alphastream" data-source="post: 5791536" data-attributes="member: 11365"><p>I used to feel this way, but the more I read about the history of both Greyhawk and FR the more I had to admire FR. Now, no doubt, Greyhawk is my favorite traditional fantasy setting. But I really have to be impressed by what Ed Greenwood did from the age of 9 or some-such to create a really detailed and interesting world. He just wrote and wrote (and wrote well). </p><p></p><p>In contrast, Greyhawk was really just a bunch of separate areas and dungeons that were finally woven together and expanded upon, largely when it became completely apparent that a world would sell well (and stave off competition). </p><p></p><p>I like what Greyhawk became. It is a great setting. But I've also been impressed by what FR has produced over the years... and from the very beginning. I also recognize that FR has had incredible success with novels. That alone is a great reason to see it as a focus of D&D Next (if what has been written is true). </p><p></p><p>I do want to see Greyhawk come back, but I'm patient. I want to see it released when it can be properly cared for. I don't want the 4E Eberron treatment of two books and no love, or even the very good Dark Sun treatment (with great DDI, organized play, and game day support). I want Wizards to really feel the passion and create a new version that can make the fans proud. I'll gladly wait until 6E for that to happen.</p><p></p><p>Separately, it is interesting to note that in <em>Designers and Dungeons</em> Shannon Appelcline claims that for FR and Dragonlance "The sales figures for both worlds stayed about the same for much of their lifetimes". That's a really curious claim (especially since he seems to be considering all aspects of the worlds) and I would be interested to hear if others feel they have certainty to either back that up or state otherwise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alphastream, post: 5791536, member: 11365"] I used to feel this way, but the more I read about the history of both Greyhawk and FR the more I had to admire FR. Now, no doubt, Greyhawk is my favorite traditional fantasy setting. But I really have to be impressed by what Ed Greenwood did from the age of 9 or some-such to create a really detailed and interesting world. He just wrote and wrote (and wrote well). In contrast, Greyhawk was really just a bunch of separate areas and dungeons that were finally woven together and expanded upon, largely when it became completely apparent that a world would sell well (and stave off competition). I like what Greyhawk became. It is a great setting. But I've also been impressed by what FR has produced over the years... and from the very beginning. I also recognize that FR has had incredible success with novels. That alone is a great reason to see it as a focus of D&D Next (if what has been written is true). I do want to see Greyhawk come back, but I'm patient. I want to see it released when it can be properly cared for. I don't want the 4E Eberron treatment of two books and no love, or even the very good Dark Sun treatment (with great DDI, organized play, and game day support). I want Wizards to really feel the passion and create a new version that can make the fans proud. I'll gladly wait until 6E for that to happen. Separately, it is interesting to note that in [I]Designers and Dungeons[/I] Shannon Appelcline claims that for FR and Dragonlance "The sales figures for both worlds stayed about the same for much of their lifetimes". That's a really curious claim (especially since he seems to be considering all aspects of the worlds) and I would be interested to hear if others feel they have certainty to either back that up or state otherwise. [/QUOTE]
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