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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7744103">Zero really isn't a value, it's an absence of value.  Most people probably aren't going to be starting out with -1 weapons, either.  I realize that 5E proficiency starts at 2 and goes to 6, for a total value of 5, but it still makes the numbers look weird.  Why not start at 1 and go to 5?I get that there's always a bit of front-loading to classes, to make sure that people are getting their proverbial "moneys worth" from early play (since some DM's never go past low levels).  But I still feel like there's a simple math that's being missed out on, an elegance as was put in another thread that seems to be lost in the drive for wargame-style complexity.</blockquote>