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Message: <blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 5734231" data-attributes="member: 1210">Wow. First off, let's keep the Edition Wars out of this discussion, okay? No need to get the thread shut down for something that is utterly irrelevant to the discussion.Secondly, I'm going to echo the sentiment that you seem to have a very narrow view of what constitutes a fun game of D&D in person, at the table. ANY group of people that have been playing the game for 30 years has certainly NOT "eliminated everything that makes it a good game" or they wouldn't have kept playing for three decades. Maybe they've eliminated everything that you like in a game of D&D, but that doesn't mean anything other than that your taste is different than theirs. It doesn't make you right or wrong, it doesn't make them right or wrong, and it certainly doesn't make their game bad just because it's not to your taste; it just makes the game one that you shouldn't play in.You're really coming across as if you think you're the authority on all gaming, the Master of the One True Way to D&D and the Dictator of Fun. Surely you recognize that none of those things are true, and that the assumption that they are isn't constructive to real discussion. (Please note that I say this as a hardcore mean DM with a notoriously high lethality rate, so don't think I'm a softy.)</blockquote>