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Let's Spitball a Hypothetical Situation---WOTC Discontinues D&D--What Happens?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4411572" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>My first blush analysis of the hypothetical:</p><p></p><p>Hasbro probably does, in order: </p><p></p><p>1. Use the property to make money licensing just the name to games/movies etc., and minimally supports the pnp aspect (see below), as long as it is profitable.</p><p></p><p>2. Scale down production of books supporting the pnp aspect of D&D to probably additions to the core PHB and/or MM.</p><p></p><p>3) Backtrack to revitalize.</p><p></p><p>a) Probably seriously reanalyzing the OGL environement vs the GSL environment: what would making the "source code" open again do for the sales of the core game? <em> If the OGL makes better business sense overall,</em> is the game's market share still big enough to make such a switch a rational business decision, or is it too late to revitalize 4Ed by returning to an OGL-type environment.</p><p></p><p>b) Depending upon the bottom line (and comments above), trying to hold on to do a launch of a 5Ed down the road. </p><p></p><p>4) Sell off D&D, if possible. Plenty of RPGs have changed hands, its just a matter of finding the right buyer. And don't think it couldn't be at a loss, either- just look at the history of Daimler-Chrysler.</p><p></p><p>As for the shape of the industry at 1/3/5:</p><p></p><p>1) Until and unless D&D found a new publisher, the vaccuum caused by the loss of the 800lb gorilla would lead to a change in the overall shape of the industry. Instead of a single market-dominating system and a bunch of also-rans, each publisher and system would have the space to grow.</p><p></p><p>Consider what happened when Superman was killed by Doomsday. EVERY publisher of superhero comics introduced a "Superman-esque" character if they didn't have one. Those that already did refocused attention upon those characters.</p><p></p><p>In some cases, those titles really made the company grow (Image's <em>Supreme</em>), or gained them critical acclaim for their storytelling (Comic's Greatest World's <em>Titan</em>).</p><p></p><p>Similarly, those companies with D&D-esque games would see an increase in sales, depending upon people's edition of choice...Hackmaster, C&C, AU/AE, Pathfinder, etc.</p><p></p><p>Other companies might jump into the fray via purchase or license...GURPS: D&D? D&D Tri-Stat? Greyhawk, FR, etc. settings for Fantasy HERO?</p><p></p><p>Regardless, I doubt you'd see the rise of a single company to the position of market leadership that D&D holds today. At worst, you'd see a few of the major companies struggling for supremacy, possibly serially. IOW, less of a virtual monopoly and more of an oligopoly.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, however, even if D&D simply faded away for a while, the hobby would remain strong, and eventually, the laws of Supply and Demand would probably dictate that the price for the D&D IP would fall low enough (either through mere depreciation or coupled with inflation) that someone- Hasbro or some buyer they found- would put out a new version of the game...even if it were identical to one of the previous editions (IOW, a pure reprint).</p><p></p><p>After all, games of lesser sales- Traveller, Battletech, etc.- have switched hands and found to be viable as reprints, at least in the short run.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4411572, member: 19675"] My first blush analysis of the hypothetical: Hasbro probably does, in order: 1. Use the property to make money licensing just the name to games/movies etc., and minimally supports the pnp aspect (see below), as long as it is profitable. 2. Scale down production of books supporting the pnp aspect of D&D to probably additions to the core PHB and/or MM. 3) Backtrack to revitalize. a) Probably seriously reanalyzing the OGL environement vs the GSL environment: what would making the "source code" open again do for the sales of the core game? [I] If the OGL makes better business sense overall,[/I] is the game's market share still big enough to make such a switch a rational business decision, or is it too late to revitalize 4Ed by returning to an OGL-type environment. b) Depending upon the bottom line (and comments above), trying to hold on to do a launch of a 5Ed down the road. 4) Sell off D&D, if possible. Plenty of RPGs have changed hands, its just a matter of finding the right buyer. And don't think it couldn't be at a loss, either- just look at the history of Daimler-Chrysler. As for the shape of the industry at 1/3/5: 1) Until and unless D&D found a new publisher, the vaccuum caused by the loss of the 800lb gorilla would lead to a change in the overall shape of the industry. Instead of a single market-dominating system and a bunch of also-rans, each publisher and system would have the space to grow. Consider what happened when Superman was killed by Doomsday. EVERY publisher of superhero comics introduced a "Superman-esque" character if they didn't have one. Those that already did refocused attention upon those characters. In some cases, those titles really made the company grow (Image's [I]Supreme[/I]), or gained them critical acclaim for their storytelling (Comic's Greatest World's [I]Titan[/I]). Similarly, those companies with D&D-esque games would see an increase in sales, depending upon people's edition of choice...Hackmaster, C&C, AU/AE, Pathfinder, etc. Other companies might jump into the fray via purchase or license...GURPS: D&D? D&D Tri-Stat? Greyhawk, FR, etc. settings for Fantasy HERO? Regardless, I doubt you'd see the rise of a single company to the position of market leadership that D&D holds today. At worst, you'd see a few of the major companies struggling for supremacy, possibly serially. IOW, less of a virtual monopoly and more of an oligopoly. Ultimately, however, even if D&D simply faded away for a while, the hobby would remain strong, and eventually, the laws of Supply and Demand would probably dictate that the price for the D&D IP would fall low enough (either through mere depreciation or coupled with inflation) that someone- Hasbro or some buyer they found- would put out a new version of the game...even if it were identical to one of the previous editions (IOW, a pure reprint). After all, games of lesser sales- Traveller, Battletech, etc.- have switched hands and found to be viable as reprints, at least in the short run. [/QUOTE]
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