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<blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 9203327" data-attributes="member: 7029588">This is definitely true.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; And it's actually a pretty common fantasy norm too.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even in Mirkwood and Moria it's not like there were constant back to back fights and monsters in every room, fighting every day, etc.4e should have leaned more into only plot relevant big set pieces with lots of story, roleplay, exploration, etc. in between.&nbsp;&nbsp; No really low stakes fights.&nbsp; The only adventures to do that I've seen are 3rd party Zeitgeist.Now you can also throw in some dungeony/keep type locations as long as you spread out the Encounter budget across the rooms with the expectation that inhabitants converge.&nbsp;&nbsp; With minions this is pretty easy to do and still get that &quot;the keep is full&quot; feeling.&nbsp;&nbsp; Just take like 2-3 encounters worth of xp and spread it out over the location.&nbsp; &nbsp; WoTC wasn't doing this though.&nbsp;&nbsp; They had like 8-10+ back to back full encounters to slog through.&nbsp; So you're spending like 30-50 hours of real time in the same location.&nbsp;&nbsp; 4e would have ditched some of the 'glorified wargame' stuff if they had leaned into more stuff in between as well.Also the HP / dmg balance could have been tweaked a little but I didn't find that the biggest problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bert1001 fka bert1000, post: 9203327, member: 7029588"] This is definitely true. And it's actually a pretty common fantasy norm too. Even in Mirkwood and Moria it's not like there were constant back to back fights and monsters in every room, fighting every day, etc. 4e should have leaned more into only plot relevant big set pieces with lots of story, roleplay, exploration, etc. in between. No really low stakes fights. The only adventures to do that I've seen are 3rd party Zeitgeist. Now you can also throw in some dungeony/keep type locations as long as you spread out the Encounter budget across the rooms with the expectation that inhabitants converge. With minions this is pretty easy to do and still get that "the keep is full" feeling. Just take like 2-3 encounters worth of xp and spread it out over the location. WoTC wasn't doing this though. They had like 8-10+ back to back full encounters to slog through. So you're spending like 30-50 hours of real time in the same location. 4e would have ditched some of the 'glorified wargame' stuff if they had leaned into more stuff in between as well. Also the HP / dmg balance could have been tweaked a little but I didn't find that the biggest problem. [/QUOTE]

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