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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9230071" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>The Assault Swordmage was good and fun. Shielding Swordmage and Swarm Druid were, however, in dire need of errata as they came out before the MM3 and so before monster damage scaling was massively buffed. Before the MM3 they were both fine but after it they couldn't keep up.</p><p></p><p>The problem with power point systems is they get spamtastic. Ardents and Battleminds used to each always spam the same ability with lower level enhancement because it was above the curve.</p><p></p><p>It actually isn't quite that bad. The Binder has a few advantages over other warlocks:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No need for curse tracking.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Boons that trigger either when you kill or when an enemy dies next to you. And are pretty good (the one that can slide <em>anyone</em> is fun, and invisibility is always good). So more shenanigans than a regular warlock</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Extra stuff at level 4 (a resistance and either darkvision or skill bonuses)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Two solid at wills that target different stats and both have riders (unlike Eldritch Blast). Two out of the three subclasses of binder have multi-target close burst at wills.</li> </ul><p>My problem with the Binder is twofold; firstly the lock-in of the encounter powers (which of course means no immediate powers) and secondly that they are <em>really</em> missing Eldritch Strike or equivalent. I used to give a DM fits with my feylock who'd Eyebite to make himself invisible to their victim of choice and then walk into melee and Eldritch Strike if they tried to move or ranged attack (and if they tried a melee attack they were trying to attack an invisible character).</p><p></p><p>The Bladesinger could easily be made badly but I found to be fine. Meanwhile the Vampire had ... issues. </p><p></p><p>But you missed possibly the two worst performing classes out; the two Assassins. The Shroud mechanic was just plain bad as the monsters were often dead before it reaped the rewards and the OG powers were weak. And the Executioner was lacking in general. With the eSassin, the Binder, and the Vampire all in one book I think the conclusion is that Heroes of Shadow was bad.</p><p></p><p>I'm also pro-Essentials and think that they'd almost mined out the AEDU seam anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9230071, member: 87792"] The Assault Swordmage was good and fun. Shielding Swordmage and Swarm Druid were, however, in dire need of errata as they came out before the MM3 and so before monster damage scaling was massively buffed. Before the MM3 they were both fine but after it they couldn't keep up. The problem with power point systems is they get spamtastic. Ardents and Battleminds used to each always spam the same ability with lower level enhancement because it was above the curve. It actually isn't quite that bad. The Binder has a few advantages over other warlocks: [LIST] [*]No need for curse tracking. [*]Boons that trigger either when you kill or when an enemy dies next to you. And are pretty good (the one that can slide [I]anyone[/I] is fun, and invisibility is always good). So more shenanigans than a regular warlock [*]Extra stuff at level 4 (a resistance and either darkvision or skill bonuses) [*]Two solid at wills that target different stats and both have riders (unlike Eldritch Blast). Two out of the three subclasses of binder have multi-target close burst at wills. [/LIST] My problem with the Binder is twofold; firstly the lock-in of the encounter powers (which of course means no immediate powers) and secondly that they are [I]really[/I] missing Eldritch Strike or equivalent. I used to give a DM fits with my feylock who'd Eyebite to make himself invisible to their victim of choice and then walk into melee and Eldritch Strike if they tried to move or ranged attack (and if they tried a melee attack they were trying to attack an invisible character). The Bladesinger could easily be made badly but I found to be fine. Meanwhile the Vampire had ... issues. But you missed possibly the two worst performing classes out; the two Assassins. The Shroud mechanic was just plain bad as the monsters were often dead before it reaped the rewards and the OG powers were weak. And the Executioner was lacking in general. With the eSassin, the Binder, and the Vampire all in one book I think the conclusion is that Heroes of Shadow was bad. I'm also pro-Essentials and think that they'd almost mined out the AEDU seam anyway. [/QUOTE]
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