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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9250666" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>HoS was (as was tradition for a Mearls book) the worst of them. And had a full new AEDU class (vampire, arguably also Binder), and a whole lot of usable powers.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile Heroes of the Elemental Chaos had, to my certain knowledge, the Desert Wind Monk, the Monk not being an Essentials class at all. Heroes of the Feywild had the Protector Druid, explicitly calling to the PHB2 and not the Essentials Druid. And the Dungeon Explorers Handbook had martial exploits certainly for the Rogue that of course you needed a Dragon feat to allow the Thief to take..</p><p></p><p>Yes, there was more stuff in the post-Essentials splatbooks that was exclusive to the classes that didn't have existing splatbooks than there was for those that did. That didn't mean all support had gone away. And remember that the Martials got Martial Power 2 before Essentials came out. The idea that the old classes were unsupported rather than simply needing less new support is IMO completely wrong.</p><p></p><p>And those assassins were both bad. Frankly the oAssassin's Shrouds mechanic was fundamentally bad design. There's a reason it stayed in Dragon magazine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9250666, member: 87792"] HoS was (as was tradition for a Mearls book) the worst of them. And had a full new AEDU class (vampire, arguably also Binder), and a whole lot of usable powers. Meanwhile Heroes of the Elemental Chaos had, to my certain knowledge, the Desert Wind Monk, the Monk not being an Essentials class at all. Heroes of the Feywild had the Protector Druid, explicitly calling to the PHB2 and not the Essentials Druid. And the Dungeon Explorers Handbook had martial exploits certainly for the Rogue that of course you needed a Dragon feat to allow the Thief to take.. Yes, there was more stuff in the post-Essentials splatbooks that was exclusive to the classes that didn't have existing splatbooks than there was for those that did. That didn't mean all support had gone away. And remember that the Martials got Martial Power 2 before Essentials came out. The idea that the old classes were unsupported rather than simply needing less new support is IMO completely wrong. And those assassins were both bad. Frankly the oAssassin's Shrouds mechanic was fundamentally bad design. There's a reason it stayed in Dragon magazine. [/QUOTE]
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