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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 9301348" data-attributes="member: 42040">Warlord was a hard pass for everyone in this group. I had to tempt the most veteran player at the table to play a cleric with cookies. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> They aren't big on buffing allies or healing - regardless of the system. They don't think it's fun.They have at least two leaders (though, admittedly, the one playing an Ardent never heals anyone but herself.) When he's home from college, the cleric player's son sometimes joins us as a bard. The group burns through all available healing - whether it's from the leader powers or second winds. Part of the issue is that they are usually without a defender - who is the least reliable player in the group. The strikers are frontline and take so much damage. Then the leaders also play like frontline warriors. The only one who stays in the back is the wizard.The daily powers aren't &quot;nova enough&quot; for my group. Nearly every fight we have someone down and dying, who misses a good portion of the combat. They need to strategize better - or if they can't do that - they need more healing access. Like, maybe a power like &quot;Third Wind&quot; that lets them spending two healing surges for the effects of one or make an Endurance check to spend one. I don't know.The fights are well-balanced and challenging - but I think they're also frustrating a lot of the time because half the group spending it prone and dying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 9301348, member: 42040"] Warlord was a hard pass for everyone in this group. I had to tempt the most veteran player at the table to play a cleric with cookies. :) They aren't big on buffing allies or healing - regardless of the system. They don't think it's fun. They have at least two leaders (though, admittedly, the one playing an Ardent [I]never [/I]heals anyone but herself.) When he's home from college, the cleric player's son sometimes joins us as a bard. The group burns through all available healing - whether it's from the leader powers or second winds. Part of the issue is that they are usually without a defender - who is the least reliable player in the group. The strikers are frontline and take so much damage. Then the leaders also play like frontline warriors. The only one who stays in the back is the wizard. The daily powers aren't "nova enough" for my group. Nearly every fight we have someone down and dying, who misses a good portion of the combat. They need to strategize better - or if they can't do that - they need more healing access. Like, maybe a power like "Third Wind" that lets them spending two healing surges for the effects of one or make an Endurance check to spend one. I don't know. The fights are well-balanced and challenging - but I think they're also frustrating a lot of the time because half the group spending it prone and dying. [/QUOTE]

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