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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fearsomepirate" data-source="post: 8219559" data-attributes="member: 7021420">Yeah, without putting too fine a gloss on it, the point I've been trying to make is that, despite the complexity of the setup, the party doesn't have to use teamwork or be clever. They can completely ignore the Black Puddings, who at that level are more dangerous when you hit them than when they attack you, and unless the dragon is going to gain surprise, use his breath weapon, and dive into the pool, it's over before it starts.I ran an encounter a while back with a party of 3 vs an adult black dragon. It was a 15th level EK, a rogue, and a wizard (who were 12th or 13th level). The EK opened up with a >100 damage wallop, and the dragon went down in the second round.</blockquote>