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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1723385" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>Roger! I'll start each section with a Yes / No / Maybe, followed by my rationale.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe.</p><p></p><p>You could, if at least one was of different thickness, they were of sufficient thicknesses, or if one was slightly raised. Place two pieces of normal paper next to each other - at what point are you able to tell one is higher than the other?</p><p></p><p>Now, imagine you'd been seeing that way since childhood, and how small a difference in thickness would be necessary to pick up that there were two things here, since, presumably, one piece would be closer than the other.</p><p></p><p>How small of a difference in color do you need to tell one piece from the other?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No / Maybe.</p><p></p><p>A perfectly flat door flush against a perfectly flat wall, with no crack around it - perfectly fitted? Sounds like the kind of doors dwarves are known for making - because, when dealing with darkvision, it's the only way to hide them - be it from dwarves or other underground creatures!</p><p></p><p>A normal door? Absolutely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>Unless your shirt is really, really thin, the fabric of the pocket would be of sufficiently different distance from the shirt to notice it. So, yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>Your belt goes over your pants, and so therefore there is a delta in distance. It'd be visible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes / Maybe.</p><p></p><p>Possible. It'd be the same as someone wearing a looser shirt *just* close enough to skin tone that, when you look, he or she looks naked. If you looked close enough, however, you could tell. Dwarves should act likewise.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>They're eyeslits - spaces where there isn't anything to see. So, you'd see the helmet on each side of the eyslit and a darker "gap" where the eyeslit was. If you were close enough, you'd be able to see the face behind the eyeslits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No / Maybe.</p><p></p><p>If the wall is merely damp, chances are the layer of water on is wouldn't be thick enough to register. On the other hand, if water was actively running down the wall, you'd be able to make out the variations as the trickles moved acoss is.</p><p></p><p>If we're talking two walls on each side of a corridor, one wet, one not, I don't think you'd be able to tell the difference without touching them - which is largely true for normal sight, as well, especially if the base wall is shiny to begin with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>It's a big solid thing. Shows up easily.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No.</p><p></p><p>You'd see the surface of the water, and the ripples made by submerged fish, but no the fish itself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>They are easily distinguishable from the surrounding finger. You wouldn't be able to tell if they were painted, however!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe.</p><p></p><p>If very fine, they'd probably be able to escape all but the most thorough examination. Thick, heavy wrinkles, of the kind dwarves are known for? Absolutely. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No / Maybe.</p><p></p><p>If the two coins are of equal size, marked in the same way, then no. If gold coins have different markings (a crown instead of an eagle), then yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No.</p><p></p><p>Barring some strange justification (diamonds are always cut princess, and emeralds never are), there wouldn't be enough of a difference to see.</p><p></p><p>I think this also has interesting ramifications for "generic" dwarven culture.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves make the finest secret doors in existence, because they need to hide them well from their own kind - so they must be perfectly fitted, or they stand out like sore thumbs in darkvision.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves are known for heavily carved items, rather than for gem-encrusted works (more the province of gnomes or elves). This is because, under darkvision, one gem looks pretty much like any other, while carving is still readily viewable.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves are known for carving runes in metal and rock - which I've discussed earlier.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves are the creators of rune magic (FRCS) - because normal scrolls are largely unusable without a source of light. So they made their own scroll-like system which is easily useable without light.</p><p></p><p>Dwarves are known for their beard - huge, prominent areas of physical irregularity and texture, which should stand out like a beacon under darkvision.</p><p></p><p>So, yeah, I like this way of looking at it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1723385, member: 23094"] Roger! I'll start each section with a Yes / No / Maybe, followed by my rationale. Maybe. You could, if at least one was of different thickness, they were of sufficient thicknesses, or if one was slightly raised. Place two pieces of normal paper next to each other - at what point are you able to tell one is higher than the other? Now, imagine you'd been seeing that way since childhood, and how small a difference in thickness would be necessary to pick up that there were two things here, since, presumably, one piece would be closer than the other. How small of a difference in color do you need to tell one piece from the other? No / Maybe. A perfectly flat door flush against a perfectly flat wall, with no crack around it - perfectly fitted? Sounds like the kind of doors dwarves are known for making - because, when dealing with darkvision, it's the only way to hide them - be it from dwarves or other underground creatures! A normal door? Absolutely. Yes. Unless your shirt is really, really thin, the fabric of the pocket would be of sufficiently different distance from the shirt to notice it. So, yes. Yes. Your belt goes over your pants, and so therefore there is a delta in distance. It'd be visible. Yes / Maybe. Possible. It'd be the same as someone wearing a looser shirt *just* close enough to skin tone that, when you look, he or she looks naked. If you looked close enough, however, you could tell. Dwarves should act likewise. Yes. They're eyeslits - spaces where there isn't anything to see. So, you'd see the helmet on each side of the eyslit and a darker "gap" where the eyeslit was. If you were close enough, you'd be able to see the face behind the eyeslits. No / Maybe. If the wall is merely damp, chances are the layer of water on is wouldn't be thick enough to register. On the other hand, if water was actively running down the wall, you'd be able to make out the variations as the trickles moved acoss is. If we're talking two walls on each side of a corridor, one wet, one not, I don't think you'd be able to tell the difference without touching them - which is largely true for normal sight, as well, especially if the base wall is shiny to begin with. Yes. It's a big solid thing. Shows up easily. No. You'd see the surface of the water, and the ripples made by submerged fish, but no the fish itself. See above. See above. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Care to elaborate? Yes. They are easily distinguishable from the surrounding finger. You wouldn't be able to tell if they were painted, however! Maybe. If very fine, they'd probably be able to escape all but the most thorough examination. Thick, heavy wrinkles, of the kind dwarves are known for? Absolutely. :) No / Maybe. If the two coins are of equal size, marked in the same way, then no. If gold coins have different markings (a crown instead of an eagle), then yes. No. Barring some strange justification (diamonds are always cut princess, and emeralds never are), there wouldn't be enough of a difference to see. I think this also has interesting ramifications for "generic" dwarven culture. Dwarves make the finest secret doors in existence, because they need to hide them well from their own kind - so they must be perfectly fitted, or they stand out like sore thumbs in darkvision. Dwarves are known for heavily carved items, rather than for gem-encrusted works (more the province of gnomes or elves). This is because, under darkvision, one gem looks pretty much like any other, while carving is still readily viewable. Dwarves are known for carving runes in metal and rock - which I've discussed earlier. Dwarves are the creators of rune magic (FRCS) - because normal scrolls are largely unusable without a source of light. So they made their own scroll-like system which is easily useable without light. Dwarves are known for their beard - huge, prominent areas of physical irregularity and texture, which should stand out like a beacon under darkvision. So, yeah, I like this way of looking at it. :) [/QUOTE]
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