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<blockquote data-quote="Shalewind" data-source="post: 1723956" data-attributes="member: 6146">I like Patryn's view of distance location as the essence, however...I find a few views in it contradictory. For instance, you state that you cannot see a fish in the water because the surface of the water is closer. That means that you are really picking up the closest thing toward your &quot;vision&quot;. Well if the water blocks your sight of the fish, how small or &quot;thin&quot; does something have to be before it blocks your sight by being closer? To put another way. A transparent veil, under this theory, would hide anything behind it. The veil is closer, thus anything beyond cannot be seen. So no, you couldn't see the monster behind the veil. (although I'm sure a Medusa could still get ya <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )Well the problem arises with say, rain... Each droplet would be closer than what was beyond it, thus, this would seriously impend your vision. What about fog? Fog droplets are too small to see, yet they are closer than everything beyond, so even a light fog would blind a darkvision user. How about dust, or better yet, what about air or a colorless gas different from air? It is &quot;in front&quot; and closer than everything else...Personally, I like to think of darkvision as working off the same mechanics as normal vision, just as the rules say it does. People can read and do most of the same things they could with normal vision, except seeing far.If a player wanted an explanation, I'd go with this. &quot;You can see edges&quot;. Sure, edges are a effect created by seeing color and light, and darkvision works without light. But if the rules say it works like normal vision, one would assume that it's mechanics must function off something similar. Real physics in D&amp;D aren't that important to me. Edges can give you lots of detail, but at the same time you loose so much. A sunset would look hardly noticeable (due to the subtle changes), reading wouldn't be hard at all, and seeing underwater would be about as difficult as in normal conditions.Henry - I love that picture. I think it represents the &quot;edges&quot; quite well. And yes, that would be freaky scary jumping out at you, used to darkvision or not!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shalewind, post: 1723956, member: 6146"] I like Patryn's view of distance location as the essence, however... I find a few views in it contradictory. For instance, you state that you cannot see a fish in the water because the surface of the water is closer. That means that you are really picking up the closest thing toward your "vision". Well if the water blocks your sight of the fish, how small or "thin" does something have to be before it blocks your sight by being closer? To put another way. A transparent veil, under this theory, would hide anything behind it. The veil is closer, thus anything beyond cannot be seen. So no, you couldn't see the monster behind the veil. (although I'm sure a Medusa could still get ya ;) ) Well the problem arises with say, rain... Each droplet would be closer than what was beyond it, thus, this would seriously impend your vision. What about fog? Fog droplets are too small to see, yet they are closer than everything beyond, so even a light fog would blind a darkvision user. How about dust, or better yet, what about air or a colorless gas different from air? It is "in front" and closer than everything else... Personally, I like to think of darkvision as working off the same mechanics as normal vision, just as the rules say it does. People can read and do most of the same things they could with normal vision, except seeing far. If a player wanted an explanation, I'd go with this. "You can see edges". Sure, edges are a effect created by seeing color and light, and darkvision works without light. But if the rules say it works like normal vision, one would assume that it's mechanics must function off something similar. Real physics in D&D aren't that important to me. Edges can give you lots of detail, but at the same time you loose so much. A sunset would look hardly noticeable (due to the subtle changes), reading wouldn't be hard at all, and seeing underwater would be about as difficult as in normal conditions. Henry - I love that picture. I think it represents the "edges" quite well. And yes, that would be freaky scary jumping out at you, used to darkvision or not! [/QUOTE]

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