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Message: <blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 9895497" data-attributes="member: 7033455">ignoring that if firearms were logistically expensive they never would have caught on, "commoner men-at-arms" is kind of a contradiction unless you just mean "commoner" to mean "not a noble". men-at-arms were highly trained and well equipped. they wouldn't need an "easy" option (though depending on what it was they might like it).for one, not everyone can really use the type of longbow that would be used in war. they had heavy draw weights - typically 120 to 200 pounds iirc. most longbow training is literally just developing the necessary muscle to loose arrows with one for a long enough period of time to be considered useful in a fight. firearms are way, WAY easier - not just because they're more intuitive to aim, but because they require way less working out. a lot of firearms training back then were formation and reloading drills, and even then you wouldn't train for that long (maybe a few weeks?).for another, you could say that about any weapon, including dnd's simple weapons (and ESPECIALLY including certain ones). spear fighting requires training. quarterstaff fighting requires training. slings require a TON of training. simple vs martial is really just a balance conceit, and if you don't care about balance that much, it quickly becomes clear that simple weapons don't actually require no training - just relatively little (except the sling. that thing is simple purely for balance reasons they brought entirely upon themselves).</blockquote>

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