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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9888342" data-attributes="member: 7026617">I think assuming every system only devolves into pass/fail with no meaningful nuance in the output beyond that, nor any relavant ability to put your thumb on the scale (if you're doing either of those--both seem possible) is a premise I don't accept.I guess I had too many years with a system not many would call "light and nimble" where most of the relevant tables could fit on a character sheet, and an experience player knew where to look as a matter of course (and as I said, I'm still not buying it as just pass/fail unless conditionals on both output don't matter to you).</blockquote>