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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9875278" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Well, to some degree both, but I was primarily thinking in terms of other games.  Even though even back then it was the biggest fish in the pond, TSR tended to acknowledge there were other fish; note that Dragon use to do reviews of other games.I believe in part it was because the D20 explosion functioned to make them even more visible.  A much bigger part of things were seen though the systemic lens of D&D, if not the specific genre.  You still see that with the number of 5e games.  While D&D of course had influence on the rest of the hobby, depending on how you count the slightly odd case of Rolemaster, fairly direct D&D knockoffs were not routinely in the second or even third tier of non-D&D games prior to 3e.As I noted, I'm not qualified to judge prior to 3e or from 4e on, as I'm not involved in that market.Probably impacted to some degree or another by a lot of more traditional people fleeing into the OSR, even if 5e did attempt to recapture some of them.</blockquote>