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<blockquote data-quote="VHawkwinter" data-source="post: 9875503" data-attributes="member: 7040136"><p>The "We" there was a response to MichaelSomething's comment about the "Traditional" gamer demographic, which skewed more Simulationist, which more games catered to in the 2000s.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. 5e didn't really provide <em>any</em> of the experiences I am looking for from a TTRPG or from a D&D Product. (And I've not played 5.5 but from what I've seen of it that doesn't appear to have changed in that regard - I haven't looked at the new FR books yet, but I won't be buying them unless I've confirmed I won't regret it). 3.0 came the closest to meeting my "specific desires" from a D&D TTRPG; 3.5 was generally worse, and it's been downhill for me from there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. I wasn't saying it was a bad business move. Simply observing that they don't make products that do anything to appeal to me anymore, and that for me to have fun I avoid their products. That doesn't make them evil (though I have some stronger opinions regarding them apparently <a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/VNx1NkzYTCg?si=EzDg3t9VHNGtgZQt" target="_blank">telling people Ed Greenwood is dead, when people try to contact him about Forgotten Realms stuff</a>; and the decision to neither involve him as a consultant on the film nor list him in the credits even though the film was <em>full</em> of characters and locations he made; and what seems like a continual disregard for their license with Greenwood to use the Realms, because he doesn't have the money to fight them in court (<a href="https://youtu.be/lEZH1wwj1oU?si=eXyuIwcIyQyGRitt" target="_blank">Greenwood touches on it a bit in this one with a lot of tact</a>), and everything they did back in 2023... etc - so I <strong><em>do</em></strong> think Hasbro is an evil organisation (in the manner typical for a publicly traded LLC), but they're not evil for stopping making products for me).</p><p></p><p>The three 5e books I didn't regret buying before I stopped playing it, one was a limited GenCon printrun (Lost Tales of Myth Drannor); One I use for entirely offlabel applications (Dragon Heist, I just grab characters, maps, and locations, for waterdeep games, and drop the plot); and the third was outsourced to Wolfgang Baur (Out of the Abyss). I liked Elminster's Forgotten Realms, and the Audible Audiobooks, but those were way back in 2012, before 5e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VHawkwinter, post: 9875503, member: 7040136"] The "We" there was a response to MichaelSomething's comment about the "Traditional" gamer demographic, which skewed more Simulationist, which more games catered to in the 2000s. Fair. Right. 5e didn't really provide [I]any[/I] of the experiences I am looking for from a TTRPG or from a D&D Product. (And I've not played 5.5 but from what I've seen of it that doesn't appear to have changed in that regard - I haven't looked at the new FR books yet, but I won't be buying them unless I've confirmed I won't regret it). 3.0 came the closest to meeting my "specific desires" from a D&D TTRPG; 3.5 was generally worse, and it's been downhill for me from there. Sure. I wasn't saying it was a bad business move. Simply observing that they don't make products that do anything to appeal to me anymore, and that for me to have fun I avoid their products. That doesn't make them evil (though I have some stronger opinions regarding them apparently [URL='https://youtube.com/shorts/VNx1NkzYTCg?si=EzDg3t9VHNGtgZQt']telling people Ed Greenwood is dead, when people try to contact him about Forgotten Realms stuff[/URL]; and the decision to neither involve him as a consultant on the film nor list him in the credits even though the film was [I]full[/I] of characters and locations he made; and what seems like a continual disregard for their license with Greenwood to use the Realms, because he doesn't have the money to fight them in court ([URL='https://youtu.be/lEZH1wwj1oU?si=eXyuIwcIyQyGRitt']Greenwood touches on it a bit in this one with a lot of tact[/URL]), and everything they did back in 2023... etc - so I [B][I]do[/I][/B] think Hasbro is an evil organisation (in the manner typical for a publicly traded LLC), but they're not evil for stopping making products for me). The three 5e books I didn't regret buying before I stopped playing it, one was a limited GenCon printrun (Lost Tales of Myth Drannor); One I use for entirely offlabel applications (Dragon Heist, I just grab characters, maps, and locations, for waterdeep games, and drop the plot); and the third was outsourced to Wolfgang Baur (Out of the Abyss). I liked Elminster's Forgotten Realms, and the Audible Audiobooks, but those were way back in 2012, before 5e. [/QUOTE]
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