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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 4443553" data-attributes="member: 5889">cangrejoide hit it in 1 as far as I'm concerned.A legion devil against a party of 5th level character is not a minion, he's a monstrous...probably unbeatable encounter. As for the concern with small damage still killing minions at high levels I have to ask....aren't your at-will powers suppose to to remain useful at high levels?I mean cloud of daggers does piddly damage at high levels compared to other powers, but it can still kill minions so it remains useful. Cleave is the same way. The 8-10 damage it likely does to high level opponents is a drop in the bucket. But it kills minions, so its worth keeping on the sheet.The only space I could see for change would be if you use a power that's X levels above the minion level, it dies even with half damage. I'm okay with saying that meteor swarm will autokill a hoard of basic goblin minions even with the half damage.But other than that, I think minions are one of the best additions to 4e, and I see little reason to drastically change them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 4443553, member: 5889"] cangrejoide hit it in 1 as far as I'm concerned. A legion devil against a party of 5th level character is not a minion, he's a monstrous...probably unbeatable encounter. As for the concern with small damage still killing minions at high levels I have to ask....aren't your at-will powers suppose to to remain useful at high levels? I mean cloud of daggers does piddly damage at high levels compared to other powers, but it can still kill minions so it remains useful. Cleave is the same way. The 8-10 damage it likely does to high level opponents is a drop in the bucket. But it kills minions, so its worth keeping on the sheet. The only space I could see for change would be if you use a power that's X levels above the minion level, it dies even with half damage. I'm okay with saying that meteor swarm will autokill a hoard of basic goblin minions even with the half damage. But other than that, I think minions are one of the best additions to 4e, and I see little reason to drastically change them. [/QUOTE]

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