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<blockquote data-quote="ryryguy" data-source="post: 4443727" data-attributes="member: 64945">I love minions, think they are a great mechanic for a variety of things.&nbsp;I also feel a bit of reluctance about using paragon/epic minions - basically, minions for stuff that should be really objectively powerful.&nbsp; I suspect I'll still use them though, but maybe a bit less often.&nbsp; Also I wouldn't hesitate to just rule on the fly that the &quot;scholar's walking stick&quot; just doesn't kill the legion devil minion, sorry... the scholar should still have an at-will ability that will do it, so it's not really a big loss.&nbsp;Finally I expect I'll sometimes use the notion that beating the minion does not necessarily mean it dies from that one hit.&nbsp; It means that it's out of combat.&nbsp; Usually this means dead, but not necessarily.&nbsp; For example, if there's some kind of running chase, &quot;killing&quot; a chasing minion just means you knocked it off course sufficiently that it can't get back into the chase.&nbsp; Or if the players have allies in a large pitched battle, the minion might not die from a hit, but it causes one of the allies to jump in and engage the minion, removing it from any further combat with the PC's.&nbsp; (You aren't rolling attacks for and against all the allies, they're sort of an abstraction here.)&nbsp;These kinds of tricks might help with paragon/epic minion versimilitude issues.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ryryguy, post: 4443727, member: 64945"] I love minions, think they are a great mechanic for a variety of things. I also feel a bit of reluctance about using paragon/epic minions - basically, minions for stuff that should be really objectively powerful. I suspect I'll still use them though, but maybe a bit less often. Also I wouldn't hesitate to just rule on the fly that the "scholar's walking stick" just doesn't kill the legion devil minion, sorry... the scholar should still have an at-will ability that will do it, so it's not really a big loss. Finally I expect I'll sometimes use the notion that beating the minion does not necessarily mean it dies from that one hit. It means that it's out of combat. Usually this means dead, but not necessarily. For example, if there's some kind of running chase, "killing" a chasing minion just means you knocked it off course sufficiently that it can't get back into the chase. Or if the players have allies in a large pitched battle, the minion might not die from a hit, but it causes one of the allies to jump in and engage the minion, removing it from any further combat with the PC's. (You aren't rolling attacks for and against all the allies, they're sort of an abstraction here.) These kinds of tricks might help with paragon/epic minion versimilitude issues. [/QUOTE]

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